or Plan A if he wants to be an egotistical martyr once his business is finished

and what do we think is left on his to do list, beyond taking out the Nazis?

yeah, can't really see him saving Jesse

while i think it won't happen, walt saving jesse definitely isn't out of the question and i don't think it'd be WOAT level at all. walt has absolutely nothing left at this point except jesse. he's always thought of jesse as a son and risked his life on a number of occasions to keep him safe. ya, he marked him for death and told him about jane, but at that point he still had holly, jr and skylar which he doesn't now. even if he blames jesse for everything, maybe he wants to redeem himself, maybe he wants to save the only family he thinks he has left, idk, but it definitely isn't contrived on face level for him to want to save him and in the hands of gilligan and co could easily be believable

Yeah I mean we're talking like 8 months down the line, and thats 8 months by himself and with no family. Walt realizing his mistakes doesn't really = terrible writing. It's one of the likely arcs that make sense, especially if you want to somewhat redeem the character.

yeah there are ways they could do it that might be ok, but it still requires a lot, like Jesse still being alive by then, which he shouldn't be

TV usually works that way tho

Todd would def keep Jessie alive for 8 months to make meth good enough to try and get Lydia to bang him

I could see Walt coming across blue meth in NH or something bein a catalyst for him coming back. Lot of stretches with any theory but I'm pretty confident they will stick the landing.

Ricin is for Lydia's tea imo.

I mean, what exactly have they done to make us doubt? This whole run of episodes has been a long string of "oh wow, they went there" moments.

8 months isn't necessary for that imo

it's another Walt-Gale situation, keep Jesse around for a month or two, a few more cooks for Todd to get more experience and figure out what he's going wrong in the cooking process and all that

i don't think even he is so naive as to try and keep Jesse around indefinitely, surely he knows it's just a problem waiting to happen (and Todd might even be looking forward to killing him)

Todd might start to wear Jesse's skin for all we know dude is a creeper

Jesse very well could go in next week's episode though.

One thing I don't see happening is Todd letting Jesse free

wtfff is up with so many people speculating about walt saving jesse? he just gave the go ahead to kill him/take him into slavery/torture. Nothing has changed since then that could possibly make him want to save jesse.

seems inconsistent that they didn't kill walt due to todd respecting him so much but todd had no problem with lying to walt's face about his intentions for taking jesse captive.

You do realize that several months pass between this episode and Walt coming back to do whatever, right?

It's like saying "we SAW Walt take the baby why would he give her back?!?"

Maybe he was like ya, saving mr white's life and convincing my uncle to give him back 11 milly covers this indescretion.

why all this talk of the ricin being for lydia? imo we are only going to see her one or two more times just to end that character story.


i see it ending where the nazis still cook for lydia. walt goes back to find his family, sees the house in it's current state. gets the ricin so no one else gets it/mistakenly takes it if it gets discovered, maybe takes it if the cancer is bad? maybe since he doesn't have his family, he gives his money to jesee/andrea/brock, takes ricin to kill himself. executive producer, vince gilligan

ya ricin 99% to be for walt. maybe jesse, but almost certainly walt

Ricin is not an appropriate or effective method of suicide imo. It takes like 3 days to kill a person with ricin.

it's also a largely ineffective method of killing someone you very likely cannot get close enough to to implement

I don't think it was a lie since Todd actually did what he said he would, he just left out the part about getting Jesse to cook. And he didn't say anything to Walt, he said it to Jack.

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Ricin def. for Walt imo

Really, what's he got left? He gets revenge on the Nazis and then what? The money was for his family and he'll never see them again. He has a few months left to live and that's definitely not enough time to spend all that cash. The cash means nothing to him. What matters is revenge.

Perhaps he realizes how vile he was and seeks to redeem himself through Jesse. If the money means nothing to him, it'll mean a lot to Jesse. Then with nothing to live for and just months to live until cancer kills him, he ends his life on his terms by using the ricin.

saying walt trying to save jesse 8 months later = bad writing is pretty dumb.

You are basically saying Walt owning up to and taking the blame for his mistakes and wrongdoing is a terribly written arc when it is so obviously not. We just spent 5 seasons watching him do terrible things and gradually become a terrible person.

The idea that it's terrible writing for him to forgive jesse after losing his entire family, hank dying, being exiled for 8 months 3k miles away, etc, is pretty mind boggling. It is not a leap that Walt comes to grip with what he has done and stops blaming everyone else.

I mean I'm not saying that is what is going to happen but it is clearly in play and could most definitely be a strong way to close the series out if done well.

To expand a little bit more

They have laid the groundwork that Walt still has limits and redeeming characteristics. However small or self serving at times they have made a clear effort to not have Walt go completely 100% evil.

He legitimately would have gone to jail instead of killing Hank, and then a second time he gave up 80 million dollars for the hail mary attempt at saving Hank. He also realized his mistake with taking Holly and shown compassion by protecting Skylar and confessing over the phone.

The flip side of him coming back to save Jesse is him coming back to kill Jesse (there are other options in play but these are two prevalent theories on the opposite ends of the spectrum). I don't find this to be a more satisfying or more well built ending to the series than Walt going down in flames attempting some redemption.

why are people saying jesse will kill walt? i know it hasn't been said in the past few posts, but the OOT thread, reddit, and i think earlier in this thread people said it. have people been watching BB at all when they say that?

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Ricin for Walt makes very little sense to me.