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07-27-2016 , 11:32 PM

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TimmayB

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Yup. Never will realize it either.

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07-27-2016 , 11:33 PM

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CPHoya

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Thirded.

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07-27-2016 , 11:34 PM

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TimmayB

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Pretty crazy to think what he could've accomplished with any kind of cooperation from Congress on certain stuff.

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07-27-2016 , 11:38 PM

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Obama was a crap President, and with the benefit of hindsight some of you will one day be able to differentiate feckless foreign policy that has made the world far more chaotic from an ability to give a speech to a biased audience.

I do agree that this is a great surrogate speech, though.

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07-27-2016 , 11:39 PM

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TimmayB

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Lol csb. I don't ever plan to be the old man yelling at clouds but who knows.

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07-27-2016 , 11:40 PM

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Some pretty good domestic initiatives that can't and shouldn't be ignored, though.

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07-27-2016 , 11:42 PM

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Pretty crazy to think what he could've accomplished with any kind of cooperation from Congress on certain stuff.

smh.

This excuse is his spin on a major failing. Great Presidents work with Congress, not blame them. Clinton had the most hostile Congress in perhaps modern times, at least up until that point, when the sweep in '94 happened, and he worked with them on issue after issue and balanced the friggin budget. Obama has done pretty much nothing with Congress since the Dems lost their majorities in '10, instead going through Executive Orders (more than once this was unconstitutional, as the Supreme Court has decided).

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07-27-2016 , 11:47 PM

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lenC

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Obamas oratorical game still insane.

'from the Baltics to Birma' line didn't go unnoticed, gfy trump

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07-27-2016 , 11:47 PM

#12584

schu_22

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lol

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07-27-2016 , 11:49 PM

#12585

pwnsall

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at least he's managed to force the young self employed relatively poor to supplement the costs of healthcare for the regular poor

and increase the power of insurance providers

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07-27-2016 , 11:52 PM

#12586

CPHoya

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I find comfort in this reminder that despite vast differences, even domer and I can come together, for a time, on how lol Trump is.

UNITY, LOVE, MURICA

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07-27-2016 , 11:54 PM

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On Earth 2, Rubio is up by 6 points and Bernie Bros threw random pieces of food and other garbage at the stage tonight.

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07-28-2016 , 12:02 AM

#12588

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really boggles the mind when i talk to people and they're like "man, trumps not all that great but HE COULDN'T BE AS BAD AS OBAMA!"

people who have raised other human beings think this way.

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07-28-2016 , 12:07 AM

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really boggles the mind when i talk to people and they're like "man, trumps not all that great but HE COULDN'T BE AS BAD AS OBAMA!"

people who have raised other human beings think this way.

These are the people that listen to Rush for 3 hours a day, followed by Hannity for 3 hours a day. When you hear that **** for 6 hours straight every day you start to believe it.

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07-28-2016 , 12:08 AM

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07-28-2016 , 12:10 AM

#12591

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These are the people that listen to Rush for 3 hours a day, followed by Hannity for 3 hours a day. When you hear that **** for 6 hours straight every day you start to believe it.

i know. its existentially depressing when i think about it for too long.

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07-28-2016 , 12:33 AM

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Can you give an example of an executive order you thought was out of line and what compromises you think Obama should have made to get legislation through Congress?

It's easy to say he should have "worked with them more" because the idea that if he had just been nicer, the GOP would have come to the party is an unfalsifiable counterfactual. Talk in specifics.

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07-28-2016 , 12:37 AM

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I mean, the 113th Congress was the least productive ever, while Obama signed many less executive orders than either Clinton or Bush. I realize that the nature of those executive orders was frequently different, but you're still going to have to $how your work to contend that the problem was Obama, not Congress.

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07-28-2016 , 12:42 AM

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Our country likely just lived through the best presidency we'll experience in our lifetime, and sadly 40-some % of the country never realized it.

What puts his presidency above Bill's?

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07-28-2016 , 12:47 AM

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These are the people that listen to Rush for 3 hours a day, followed by Hannity for 3 hours a day. When you hear that **** for 6 hours straight every day you start to believe it.

At the bar I had lunch in yesterday I heard 2 dudes talking about how the white house wasn't built by slaves as like the main talking point from the dnc so far. these people just don't know what they're hearing isn't the truth.

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07-28-2016 , 12:49 AM

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What puts his presidency above Bill's?

well barack didn't deregulate wall street so he has that going for him which is nice. I'm too tired to give a real response to this but #teambarack

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07-28-2016 , 05:14 AM

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It's a shame the best President I may ever live through got his 8 years railroaded by a minority party whose stated mission is to make sure the government does as little as possible to help anybody.

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07-28-2016 , 08:19 AM

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These are the people that listen to Rush for 3 hours a day, followed by Hannity for 3 hours a day. When you hear that **** for 6 hours straight every day you start to believe it.

Admit it. We are all sheep, our views are based on whatever the media decides to feed you. This **** is the Truman Show and whatever you watch is what you become.

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07-28-2016 , 08:24 AM

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domer2

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Incredible.

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07-28-2016 , 08:27 AM

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Admit it. We are all sheep, our views are based on whatever the media decides to feed you. This **** is the Truman Show and whatever you watch is what you become.

People who don't live in reality (who also tend to skew Republican oddly enough) really do believe this. It doesn't make it true in the least.

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