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12-09-2015 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod
could you help me through this process? I would love for you to comfort and hold me as I come to grips with how little I understand about the world around me.

as an aside, my wife and I are debating the 2nd kid choice. if you could make that for us it seems like that would be massive help for us, as you understand us a whole lot better than we possibly could. or is it that nobody knows? I'm confused - I need that comfort after all.
I never claimed to understand you. But I know for sure that anyone who could say "I understand the actions of everyone I know" with a straight face could seriously benefit from some deep self reflection (all of us can).
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12-09-2015 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
I never claimed to understand you. But I know for sure that anyone who could say "I understand the actions of everyone I know" with a straight face could seriously benefit from some deep self reflection (all of us can).
well I trust that my friends who have had vasectomies did so with an understanding of the consequences of their actions. and I'll take at face value their explanations like "we don't want to have any more kids, my wife hates the side effects of the pill, condoms suck, and we like to screw".

maybe I'm just friends with the most logical, smartest, and most capable people in the world. or maybe this issue just isn't as complicated as you want it to be.
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12-09-2015 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod
well I trust that my friends who have had vasectomies did so with an understanding of the consequences of their actions. and I'll take at face value their explanations like "we don't want to have any more kids, my wife hates the side effects of the pill, condoms suck, and we like to screw".

maybe I'm just friends with the most logical, smartest, and most capable people in the world. or maybe this issue just isn't as complicated as you want it to be.
The fact that you keep citing indivual anecdotes just further demonstrates how clueless you are. It's entirely possible that that explanation was the entire extent of their decision making process. But it's also possible that it's not and for you to have the arrogance to think you know what's driving people's decisions and actions means you have a terribly narrow approach to human interaction and an overconfidence in you own abilities to understand things.

Instead of being so defensive about this for some reason, if you spent a minute to think about it it could do you some good. In fact you should probably be exploring the very reason why you're being defensive as its a pretty noncontroversial point.
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12-09-2015 , 05:40 PM
there goes me and my arrogance again, thinking that people are capable of using logic to make decision.
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12-09-2015 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R



HILLDAWG #1
Fbi director said something very similar today
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12-09-2015 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
for you to have the arrogance to think you know what's driving people's decisions and actions means you have a terribly narrow approach to human interaction and an overconfidence in you own abilities to understand things.
This is something Wooders0n said. This is real life.
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12-09-2015 , 06:17 PM
Do as I say, not as I do.

I'm constantly analyzing and questioning my own mistakes and motivations. How else do you think I've come to realize the stuff I'm saying now?
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12-09-2015 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by kidcolin
Why?
because clark agrees with him and he's sexy... no ****.

lol h*m* is censored?
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12-09-2015 , 06:22 PM
Although I still do maintain its pretty easy to see that LeBron is still desperate for a father figure to love him. Not gonna happen though now that Steph and Staps exist.
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12-09-2015 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by shane88888
Canada and France are literally locking up comedians for jokes.
link please
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12-09-2015 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by El Rata
link please
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...ghts-1.3240005

Well, it appears the human rights tribunal can't lock him up. Yet.
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12-09-2015 , 08:14 PM
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If Ward is found by the tribunal to have infringed on Gabriel's human rights, he may be ordered to pay Gabriel a sum of money in compensation.
not exactly locked up
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12-09-2015 , 08:17 PM
what happens if he refuses to pay?

(also a fine isn't ok either)
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12-09-2015 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by shane88888
This is fantastic.

I haven't heard anything this good since Occupy Wall Street.
I think all that stuff I was saying to KC a few days ago actually applies to you. Way to go, you can be smug and condescending about anything even slightly to the left of your Serious Middle.

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Originally Posted by MonsterJMcgee
Higher education has basically become a for-profit enterprise across the board when it in theory should be a public service.

Yeah if you as a teenager make an optimal consumer decision, things can work out for you. If you're not sharp enough at age 17 to see that U of Phoenix is a scam, or a degree in art history even from a good university is worth ~nothing despite what your dip**** baby boomer parents tell you, you can pretty much **** yourself over for the next 15+ years of your life.

What reason is there to allow that type of environment to exist? We should be working toward reducing the cost of tuition and reducing the number of useless degree programs out there. Allowing the market to correct itself is basically being done at the expense of unsophisticated consumers, who are often teenagers or first generation college students, collecting huge sums of debt.
Obviously I agree with this, but bolded is the real point. Why does this system exist? How is it the most optimal way to deliver education? Who benefits from it?

CDL seemingly can't grasp that just because things are fine for him does not mean the system works and doesn't need any improving. But that's not news.
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12-09-2015 , 08:20 PM
sick gotcha
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12-09-2015 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
Yeah I get that and that's why I'd be fine with her winning and will strongly support her in the general.

To me though, gridlock is what I expect and don't Hilary will get anything done that Obama couldn't. I also fear she cares about being president more than anything else and as long as she is she's fine with the status quo. Bern would at least be furious and get people riled up over the gridlock.
If nothing else, I would be excited to see this. I'm still not willing to concede Bernie Sanders is "unelectable." For one, I think a fair number of actual registered Republicans would be open to his ideas and support them. (I've posted evidence to this point before.) For two, "electability" is a decision made of, by, and for the political class, and I don't think we should concede the playing field to them and narrow the range of "acceptable debate."

(Speaking of, how ****ed up is it that in a democracy there's such a thing as a "political class"-- a small subset of people with the right education and credentials who get to run for office and report on who's running for office-- and no one bats an eye at that?)
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12-09-2015 , 08:33 PM
He's polling strong in h2hs
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12-09-2015 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
I agree with most of your post, but the bolded doesn't ring true. Do you have stats for the amount poorer people spend on transportation and any evidence that ride sharing would decrease this costs? Most poor people rely on public transportation (rather than owning a car) and it seems like buses are likely to remain cheaper than modern ride sharing because they operate on predefined routes with more people on them than can share a car.
Delayed response but I didn't really just mean people in poverty and slightly above that. I meant working class, middle class, etc....Basically the improved efficiency and cost in transport is going to be a huge plus for everyone.

AAA estimates that car ownership costs 9k a year when you factor in insurance, fuel, maintenance, cost of ownership, etc.

Besides shelter, this is the biggest expense most people have. Doing away with it could be a game-changer for society. Not even factoring in all the health/time/productivity benefits.

Even people near/just above poverty I would think would benefit from a smart phone app that allows a car to come pick them up and costs a quarter a mile with no time restrictions though. Obviously a lot depends on location.

This should decentralize living and bring land costs down a little bit as well, but some of that is tough to predict and maybe a little too far down the line to envision right now.
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12-09-2015 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by nath
I think all that stuff I was saying to KC a few days ago actually applies to you. Way to go, you can be smug and condescending about anything even slightly to the left of your Serious Middle.
I can be exquisitely smug and condescending but you gotta call me out on something better than a response to a post - from our new resident invertebrate hot take crop duster - that explicitly equates the concept of free market capitalism with the tyranny of the majority and forcible confiscation of property.

I mean, his point wasn't even political. It couldn't be; it was such a display of willful disregard for the definition of terms that it became, at worst, nonsense or, at best, trolling so mediocre that only CDL would bite.
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12-09-2015 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty
Super short reason: she is way more likely to be effective. I mean, it's possible the Republicans decide to forever mandate gridlock especially since they despise her but she has the seasoning to get stuff done. She's the epitome of a political insider IMO. Bernie just is too alone in many of his views.
Are Bernie's "radical views" unpopular? Take the word "socialist" away from his tag and he's a populist.
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12-09-2015 , 09:23 PM
They are unpopular in the US, yes.
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12-09-2015 , 09:30 PM
The problem with free higher education is you just continue the same model of inefficiency and wasteful spending.

Education in the US in 2015 almost sort of acts as a form of insurance against being a ****up rather than a legitimate path to learning a skill or career.

We've subsidized higher ed a ton over the last 35 years and the costs have skyrocketed, far surpassing inflation, now people leave school with a mini-mortgage and don't even learn all that much on average.

If these schools weren't propped up the gov't, accreditation boards which they own, loans subjected to market forces then there is no way a world history or psych 101 class is costing 4300 bucks at a private uni. They really compete on nothing but reputation which is pretty much ingrained at this point for the most part. If they had to compete on quality/cost, we wouldn't even be having these discussions about what taxes Bernie/Hilary/whoever should raise to make college cheaper.

We're not even getting into all the ways you could leverage technology to bring down costs...

It's just an absurd model and I dunno how it makes it another 20 years, but you never know....Bubbles can go on a long time.
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12-09-2015 , 09:31 PM
But that's not true Clark: http://www.socialistalternative.org/...ublic-opinion/

People *think* they don't like those policies because they're too radical, but in actuality, they do favor such policies.
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12-09-2015 , 09:34 PM
It's like how people hate "ObamaCare" but like "The Affordable Care Act."
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12-09-2015 , 09:38 PM
Even if people do favor socialist policies, that has more to do with the fact the US has F'd up capitalism over the last 30-35 years and turned it into crony capitalism/protectionism/government intervention gone wrong. When it is tougher and tougher to get ahead because capitalism went wrong, then socialism and socialist ideas tend to become far more palatable. I don't agree with these ideas, but I can see why they gain steam. Because crony capitalism sucks.

When you have stagnation then gains begin to seem ill-gotten, everything appears zero-sum so the only way for 1 group to do better is to take from another group.

I wish a candidate could run on a platform of innovation and technology and it was more central to ethos of our society but it just doesn't fit into the "us vs them" narrative and for most of the mouthbreathers among us, arguing about merry christmas vs happy holidays is far more important.
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