Right. The first amendment is still quite strong, and lots of little cases go under the radar daily that uphold it.

Even on college campuses, groups like FIRE have had speech codes at public universities struck down for violation of the first amendment.

So what gives?

Jeb is even worse than hilary but hes hopeless at this point

Well, for one I am sure there are plenty of people who are happy that they chose to get some degree even if it is ~worthless and cost them $100k. We shouldn't take away degrees just because they don't provide an economic benefit to society. If someone wants to make economically poor choices they should be permitted to do so, but society shouldn't be forced to support them if they choose this path.

Kids graduating high school are adults for our purposes both legally (in most cases) and in terms of their freedom to make decisions that either benefit or harm them. They can vote, enlist in the military, leave home, go to or forgo college, get a job, travel freely without parental consent, etc. Why should we not allow them to choose whatever path they want even if that includes economically unsound decisions on which college to attend? We aren't picking up the pieces for the kids that go blow thousands of dollars at clubs or travelling the world at that age (except in the overlap) so why do it for ones that do it by going to college?

I'd put Jeb! at 2. behind 1. Hillary. He's obv awful, but he's got the family and political connections to hit the ground running. Yeah they're those same terribles who worked for his brother (and father in a few cases) but at least they've been there and know how to get things done.

fundamentally I just think that's wrong. or, explain that to every guy (like 2 of my buddies) who have had vasectomies b/c they've decided no matter what they are not having any more kids. people make this conscious decision every day. men and women.

yes I even have WOMEN on my Facebook feed who have ranted about how they are sick of being asking them when they are going to have another kid b/c (and I actually quote) "stopping at one was a decision we made".

I have an Aunt and Uncle who decided they didn't want kids.

so, I'm just not sympathetic to the position that we are all rabbits who can't control urges.

Aside from earlier convo: I work within earshot of three different people who spent over $250,000 on their education. And they get super mad if anyone questions the real value of college. I also worked in the same building as dozens of comp engineers who didn't get or finish degrees who get mad if people argue for the value of college.

Everyone wants it their way

Also, lol at spending 250k on education

Jeb is in the top 5 by default because most of them have legitimate "complete calamity" equity. He's obviously terrible though.

One of my cash game buddies is an optometrist. He has a successful practice but says his student loan payment is like a mortgage payment and he'd give years off the end of his life to be able to go back and undo the educational decisions he made.

I know too many lawyers to even mention who also fit this description.

both, but affirmative action only based on income and not other factors even though there are high correlations to racial and other demographics. Thus it will also become an indirectly affirmative action for some minority groups.

I think this would help provide needed diversity at colleges and also prevent colleges from creating a cost structure which results in them not creating an environment with a meaningful portion of people with financial need based on it being a dominated choice on a cost-benefit basis.

they were white. 🏻

You don't seem to have any real understanding of how evolution works. The fact that you know a few people who didn't want kids is irrelevant. It takes a long ****ing time and our species hasn't even been around that long. None of this changes the fact that an overwhelming majority of people do have that physical need to procreate and it's unreasonable to hold them to the standards of your aunt and uncle who won't be passing on their very undominant genes.

this doesn't surprise me at all

My student loan payments are more than my mortgage payments (but won't last 30 years) and my grad school degree has been 100% useless so far, but was still worth it for me because I had one of the best years of my life that year and it was an alternative to working. IMO if you want to go to college for something useless you should be allowed to so long as you pay for it, but I sure as **** don't want to play for other people to go just to have fun.

Tut is like a way more liberal joe rogan itt

That sucks and seems very common from what I hear from MBAs. Would it bother you if someone was given your same salary and position without education? What would you think about that person and the company that hired him/her?

I sat between two dudes at 1L orientation who had no idea what they wanted to do with their lives and welp, this beats working some ****ty job we're gonna hate! I wanted to bang their heads together like Moe.

Wanting kids is different than actually producing them. I have wanted kids since I was one myself. Yet, somehow I have still managed to avoid having them because the time hasn't been right and I haven't been prepared to take care of them (and yes I have magically been able to have sex in the interim).

"The what?"

The Money River, where the wealth of the nation flows. We were born on the banks of it. We can slurp from that mighty river to our hearts' content. And we even take slurping lessons, so we can slurp more efficiently.

"Slurping lessons?"

From lawyers! From tax consultants! We're born close enough to the river to drown ourselves and the next ten generations in wealth, simply using dippers and buckets. But we still hire the experts to teach us the use of aqueducts, dams, reservoirs, siphons, bucket brigades, and the Archimedes' screw. And our teachers in turn become rich, and their children become buyers of lessons in slurping.

"It's still possible for an American to make a fortune on his own."

Sure—provided somebody tells him when he's young enough that there is a Money River, that there's nothing fair about it, that he had damn well better forget about hard work and the merit system and honesty and all that crap, and get to where the river is. 'Go where the rich and powerful are,' I'd tell him, 'and learn their ways. They can be flattered and they can be scared. Please them enormously or scare them enormously, and one moonless night they will put their fingers to their lips, warning you not to make a sound. And they will lead you through the dark to the widest, deepest river of wealth ever known to man. You'll be shown your place on the riverbank, and handed a bucket all your own. Slurp as much as you want, but try to keep the racket of your slurping down. A poor man might hear.'

What's your point? None of this matters until you either have kids or die without having kids.

You can hear happiness standing on down the street, footprints dressed in red.

I suspect there's a $300 solution to getting rid of a pregnancy and a $25k/year incentive to have that first kid and never get married.

Penalizing marriage is dumber than student loans debt being non-dischargeable.

I mean, Hillary not being top 5 is a preposterous position.

TuT I think you have to have Biden because he gets the nom if Hillary has "issues". But fair enough.

Concur Hillary while not likeable is far and away the best option. Behind her is a combo of Bernie, Rand, Christie and maybe one of Kasich/Fiorina/Rubio.

If we include Biden I'd also include Mitt over every current GOP candidate.

Agreed. You see my point tho. He won't run regardless and Biden will if Hillary has to quit.

I excluded Biden to make it simpler.

nah, but I got a 1 year Masters not an MBA and ended up taking a job that only required an undergrad degree. My bosses said that my Masters had 0 impact on my salary and the only impact it had on my hiring was that it confirmed my GPA trend (which was bad for 2 years and then got better when I had more flexibility to class select to my interests and strengths) as my grad school GPA was markedly higher than my undergrad GPA. Thus, I kinda did the exact reverse of this.

If you can do the job you can do the job. When I hire people, I only care about their background so far as it allows me to project ability, reliability, and desire to do the job and remain in the position for several years. I've passed on hiring people who I have thought were too qualified, too aspirational, too uninterested, or too hard to work alongside even if they could do the job from a technical perspective since the job is so much more than just the technical ability to understand and perform the tasks.

Doesn't really matter to me if someone has an education or not, but having one is a good entry point for people who aren't highly skilled self-taught individuals.

why? If someone spent $50k to travel the world a year after college would you feel the same way?