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Old 08-13-2017, 01:41 PM   #38051
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Old 08-13-2017, 01:50 PM   #38052
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those darn smug libs made me and all my mates vote for a racist idiot game show host
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Old 08-13-2017, 01:54 PM   #38053
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Secondly, I'm a Republican and I know a lot of people who are Republican that aren't racist and didn't vote for Trump. I'd love to see the Republican Party break up into 2 groups to let those idiots realize they are a very tiny minority and do not represent anybody else.

I know you want to (and need to, cuz no way would you ever support systemic racism [eventho you inarguably do by voting/claiming Republican]) believe this, but the evidence simply doesn't support it at all. Last time I checked Trump's approval with Rs was still higher than 80%. At this point anyone still approving of or supporting Trump is objectively enabling, emboldening, and complicit in this wave of rising Nazism/fascism in America. In a moral country/party, his approval rating shouldn't be above 80% if you cut out a subsection of "people directly related to Donald Trump".


This isn't a tiny minority or fringe group, it is literally the base of the party. The line has been drawn pretty clearly - if you want to continue to identify as Republican that's fine, but you are advancing this neoNazi movement and racism by doing so. Period.

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Old 08-13-2017, 02:08 PM   #38054
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I've never posted ITT and only came here because I read about it in the FAQ. Basically my only concern on this site for politics is trolling the libtards in Politics and P7.


This is probably the best, most reasonable post I've seen from someone that (I'm assuming) leans left. The reason that so many (ie not all) right wingers are going farther right isn't Trump, it's the fact that they're getting blasted for being on the right and for their life experiences.

I'm in a town in PA that voted a high percentage for Trump. The day after he won, people were excited. Why? Not because Trump won. Because "we dumb, uneducated white people" won and took down Hilary. So many people were anti Hilary and just fed up with the left and how much they belittled anyone who disagreed with them.

So, ya, I think woody is spot on here.
Thanks, for a second there I forgot how stupid you idiots were and are.
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:12 PM   #38055
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i still think it's legitimately funny that there are actually people who think that the USA is the greatest country
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:14 PM   #38056
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2 things:

I've never heard of Charlottesville, VA until this weekend. If anybody asked me what people do there for fun, racism and WalMart would be my answers.

Secondly, I'm a Republican and I know a lot of people who are Republican that aren't racist and didn't vote for Trump. I'd love to see the Republican Party break up into 2 groups to let those idiots realize they are a very tiny minority and do not represent anybody else.


Also, the chant of "you will not replace us", was what I was saving for the protest when robots start taking our jobs.

Thing is, without them your party also ceases to exist. Theyre not a small minority of your party. Theyre a huge chunk of it.
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:15 PM   #38057
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i still think it's legitimately funny that there are actually people who think that the USA is the greatest country


For sure. It's an indefensible take.

And no I won't leave, I quite like it here regardless of the ~60 millionish clowns that constantly surround me.
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:16 PM   #38058
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What's so irritating is there are pockets of America that are legitimately awesome. Yet our media thoughtlessly embraces the narrative of backwoods racist hellholes as REAL AMERICA. **** that.

Also our political structure sucks. Wyoming gets 2 senators, CA gets 2 senators, DC gets none.
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:16 PM   #38059
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Yup. We'll get there eventually if we don't implode first but that's not looking too hopeful atm.
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:17 PM   #38060
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First, I don't think there's much I could say or do that would ever sway a neo-nazi into not being, you know, a neo-nazi.

Second, whether a reasoning method works better than a shaming one I'm still not sure of. I've tried the former but it's led me to some weird spots and probably some bad posting. The problem with this is that you really gotta know your **** and even then it's probably not worth the effort(unless you somehow can address a substantially larger audience than this thread).

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2 things:

I've never heard of Charlottesville, VA until this weekend. If anybody asked me what people do there for fun, racism and WalMart would be my answers.

Secondly, I'm a Republican and I know a lot of people who are Republican that aren't racist and didn't vote for Trump. I'd love to see the Republican Party break up into 2 groups to let those idiots realize they are a very tiny minority and do not represent anybody else.


Also, the chant of "you will not replace us", was what I was saving for the protest when robots start taking our jobs.
Why are you a republican?
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:22 PM   #38061
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That xnbomb post shouldn't be bashed. It should be understood. Under the hood of that post hes saying

"hey guys im pretty dumb. Im not very highly educated like you were. My parents were worse than yours and i likely have some racial bias due to the community i grew up in. I believe most what fox news and Facebook posts tell me because I lack both the capability and interest to think beyond that."

Hes not a nazi or a monster. Hes someone who absolutely could be persuaded to move more left with proper messaging and how their agenda overwhelmingly helps HIM.
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:27 PM   #38062
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First, I don't think there's much I could say or do that would ever sway a neo-nazi into not being, you know, a neo-nazi.

Second, whether a reasoning method works better than a shaming one I'm still not sure of. I've tried the former but it's led me to some weird spots and probably some bad posting. The problem with this is that you really gotta know your **** and even then it's probably not worth the effort(unless you somehow can address a substantially larger audience than this thread).


Why are you a republican?
Dont think anyone is suggesting trying to sway a neo-nazi. They are lost causes. But there are ten million trump voters who arent neonazis who are up for grabs. Swaying them would make an insane difference.
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:27 PM   #38063
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i still think it's legitimately funny that there are actually people who think that the USA is the greatest country
The thing is though, Real America is not a small town of white people.
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:34 PM   #38064
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That xnbomb post shouldn't be bashed. It should be understood. Under the hood of that post hes saying

"hey guys im pretty dumb. Im not very highly educated like you were. My parents were worse than yours and i likely have some racial bias due to the community i grew up in. I believe most what fox news and Facebook posts tell me because I lack both the capability and interest to think beyond that."

Hes not a nazi or a monster. Hes someone who absolutely could be persuaded to move more left with proper messaging and how their agenda overwhelmingly helps HIM.
It's recognizing the current situation blows and trying to shift responsibility and blame from himself as much as possible. First and foremost it's a straight up CUCK move.


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Dont think anyone is suggesting trying to sway a neo-nazi. They are lost causes. But there are ten million trump voters who arent neonazis who are up for grabs. Swaying them would make an insane difference.
Right. Go for it, should be pretty easy to out-WIM people.
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:34 PM   #38065
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imagine the opposite, some drumpfer comes in here and goes ok libs i understand why u hold your policy positions and, while i respectfully disagree, its clear to me that you are a good person who has reached your conclusions earnestly. also you look lovely today, is that a new hairstyle? it really brings out your eyes

btw have you considered supporting a healthcare policy where non-rich people are forced to go bankrupt when they get cancer?

is there one libtard on earth which that would work on? why would the opposite have more than a ~0% success rate? they believe their stuff just as much as libs do imo
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:35 PM   #38066
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So many people were anti Hilary and just fed up with the left and how much they belittled anyone who disagreed with them.
Here's the thing now though, friend. If you dont speak up to friends and family in your small town about how awful these literal nazis ane white supremacists are, you are proving they were correct to belittle.

You and yours wanted to be heard. You wanted a voice. You wanted to stop being ignored and belittled. Now you have what you claim you wanted. Youre in the game now. You now have a resppnsibility to do better.
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:35 PM   #38067
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Thanks guys for proving my point.

I did not and would not vote for Trump.

There are many social stances I lean far left on; there are things I used to be right on and now lean left.

There are many social stances that I'm right on, part because of my upbringing that could possibly be changed and part that are based off of information gather throughout my life that will never be changed.

Most non social issues I'm on the right about. Those aren't changing any time soon.


My favorite part of the last year+ is sitting back and watching how people's view points are established and possibly changed. The posts ITT sum up why the Democrats lost and why they will lose again if their message isn't changed. They are pushing away the people that would have won them the election and yet continue to make the same mistakes.
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:38 PM   #38068
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do you want a medal for not being a nazi or sth
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:38 PM   #38069
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imagine the opposite, some drumpfer comes in here and goes ok libs i understand why u hold your policy positions and, while i respectfully disagree, its clear to me that you are a good person who has reached your conclusions earnestly. also you look lovely today, is that a new hairstyle? it really brings out your eyes

btw have you considered supporting a healthcare policy where non-rich people are forced to go bankrupt when they get cancer?

is there one libtard on earth which that would work on? why would the corollary have more than a ~0% success rate? they believe their stuff just as much as libs do imo
People who are more intelligent, more educated, and more empathetic have it within them to be the better people and lead by example.

The issues are not why Trump won.
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:44 PM   #38070
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do you want a medal for not being a nazi or sth
****, boids disproving what I'm saying never mind. People clearly incapable of understanding the point trying to be made by anyone who isn't on their party side and just deciding to turn to personal attacks
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:48 PM   #38071
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maybe pm wooderson, he might be prepared to soft soap you in private
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:53 PM   #38072
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****, boids disproving what I'm saying never mind. People clearly incapable of understanding the point trying to be made by anyone who isn't on their party side and just deciding to turn to personal attacks
dude you already admitted that you have no political point other than screw those libs for belittling me by trying to make my life better.

so no, dems should not cater to ppl like you. your views are backwards and detrimental.
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:54 PM   #38073
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Part of the whole reason I saw a chance of a positive outcome from a Trump presidency would be the positive changes that came from it. And i still believe that. Thats what this is. It was always going to be ugly. Its gonna get a lot uglier than Charlottesvile. How people respond to it will be crucial in making sure its not for nothing. Real progress has always been whats important to me.

Theres a real chance that the death of the republican party can be a real thing.
I guess that ultimately, after electing Hitler and going through World War 2 and the Holocaust and all that, Germany did get rid of the Nazis (...before they resurfaced 50 years later in America). Progress!

Like what the hell is this, in order to truly and finally defeat the Republicans we needed to...elect them? smh.
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:57 PM   #38074
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People clearly incapable of understanding the point trying to be made by anyone who isn't on their party side and just deciding to turn to personal attacks
btw i was always prepared to listen to bush/mccain/romney republican arguments, even occasionally thought that ikes had a point. but then the drumpfening happened and looooooooool @ the idea of ever doing that again, repub credibility = 0 for life
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:57 PM   #38075
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Thanks guys for proving my point.

I did not and would not vote for Trump.

There are many social stances I lean far left on; there are things I used to be right on and now lean left.

There are many social stances that I'm right on, part because of my upbringing that could possibly be changed and part that are based off of information gather throughout my life that will never be changed.

Most non social issues I'm on the right about. Those aren't changing any time soon.


My favorite part of the last year+ is sitting back and watching how people's view points are established and possibly changed. The posts ITT sum up why the Democrats lost and why they will lose again if their message isn't changed. They are pushing away the people that would have won them the election and yet continue to make the same mistakes.
I apprciate you sharing your leanings. Its always nice when someone will state them rather than just lol at others. One thing I would say is that i think youd find value in becoming a little more flexible on "non-social" issues. I assume that means you want to keep government small and taxes down. Im with you on that. But most issues (most notably healthcare) ARE social issues, even if the financing is a fiscal issue.
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