More than personal attacks please.

Preach

Think Victor's anger is misguided and not at all helpful...yet.

If we start off with the assumption that there are ~60 million "enemies," theres a lot of value in trying to reason with and intelligently converting as many of them as possible first. Even though most of them ARE objectively some degree and combination of racist and stupid, theyre not all full blown nazis.

Im not good at much, but i am good at persuation. I and others itt were making pretty good progress on Bluff before Victor showed up and spazzed out.

There are tens of millions of people out there who are mostly stupid, raised terribly, and constantly fed propoganda and fake news. I don't believe that we should push these people further right.

Again, cant make everyone see the light, I wouldn't waste 3 seconds with pwnsall. But empathizing with what lead these racist/morons to be this way still has value. Decreasing the amount of enemies from 60 million to 50 milllion would be a huge win. Many of them just want to be understood. They dont want their entire life experience to be handwaved away as meaningless even if we know they are objectively wrong.


Civil Rights victories havent been won historically through blunt force and changing everyone by force. They've been won with an unwavering belief in what is right and by showing enough people the right way rather than focusing on what is the wrong way.

@YesYoureRacist doing good work on Twitter

Agree with woody 100% on this one. My thought reading thread this morning was that Victor was out of line.

Doxxing the alt-right will be a powerful and effective strategy.

Victor has become the worst poster in SE with chad's departure imo

Agreed on this too.

chad departed?

Their complains about their 1st amendment rights being violated when this happens are always gold.

Woody - mostly right, but you gotta own getting conned yourself. For the months preceding the election you were all about both sides suck and her emails. I mean, I'm glad you're seeing the light here, but the moral authority is a bit much.

I mean I've criticized Woody a lot, but at least a lot of his recent takes have been spot on.

his posts were complete garbage and set me off. this one in particular. sorry if I was out of line when on teh same day some psycho attacked peaceful anti-supremacist demonstrators, some ahole comes in and supports purging leading democrats.

and then this one blaming the victims and asserting that they are equal to the actual nazis.

nope. sorry not sorry. Im not gonna suppress my rage at such pieces of sht if I feel like it.

Im not claiming to be a moral authority. Im still not one. Im still likely much "less moral" than most here. Im talking from the standpoint of strategy for how to deal with things going forward.

Part of the whole reason I saw a chance of a positive outcome from a Trump presidency would be the positive changes that came from it. And i still believe that. Thats what this is. It was always going to be ugly. Its gonna get a lot uglier than Charlottesvile. How people respond to it will be crucial in making sure its not for nothing. Real progress has always been whats important to me.

Theres a real chance that the death of the republican party can be a real thing.

if you thought I was a good poster it would shake me to my core to such an extent that I would gravely reassess not only my posting but also my entire value system and outlook on life.

I think you are naive and wanting and failing to look at the actual situation and facts.

the republican party is growing more and more extreme. supremacist elements are improving their position within the party and emboldened by rhetoric and circumstances outside the party.

the state run republican media of fox continues to expertly motivate large segments of the population to support the party.

combine that indoctrination with voter suppression and gerrymandering and there is little chance the republican party yields power for many years.

Both I and history disagrees with you.

I am just gonna address the bolded. I think he was playing you. not for one second did I believe his post about changing. and it was proven by his flippant and caustic posts immediately preceding and following it. I think that post was sarcasm as well.

anyway, mebbe I was wrong.

the rest of your posts have been pretty good and I agree.

Yea, I think I disagree with woody
I think Trump's election has dangerously emboldened and strengthened the deplorables. Maybe things will get better eventually, but I still think the outcome of a Hillary victory would have been >>>>>> this, especially since we've only scratched the surface. This mess we're going through wasn't necessary to create a better world - we could have just elected a better world and not had to deal with this.

LOL you starting to get a little nervous to discover all your top kek buddies care about something besides low taxes?

Yeah, disco showing up here to take a back handed slap at someone in a minority group is just SHOCKING.

That said, TuT's Victor post was 100% spot on.

2 things:

I've never heard of Charlottesville, VA until this weekend. If anybody asked me what people do there for fun, racism and WalMart would be my answers.

Secondly, I'm a Republican and I know a lot of people who are Republican that aren't racist and didn't vote for Trump. I'd love to see the Republican Party break up into 2 groups to let those idiots realize they are a very tiny minority and do not represent anybody else.


Also, the chant of "you will not replace us", was what I was saving for the protest when robots start taking our jobs.

I've never posted ITT and only came here because I read about it in the FAQ. Basically my only concern on this site for politics is trolling the libtards in Politics and P7.


This is probably the best, most reasonable post I've seen from someone that (I'm assuming) leans left. The reason that so many (ie not all) right wingers are going farther right isn't Trump, it's the fact that they're getting blasted for being on the right and for their life experiences.

I'm in a town in PA that voted a high percentage for Trump. The day after he won, people were excited. Why? Not because Trump won. Because "we dumb, uneducated white people" won and took down Hilary. So many people were anti Hilary and just fed up with the left and how much they belittled anyone who disagreed with them.

So, ya, I think woody is spot on here.

I dunno man, as I mentioned in the pol thread, that racist outing twitter is showing that nearly every single one of those supremacist marchers is a part of their college's republican club and many are in leadership roles.

I would have thought that such clubs have some oversight so that they can avoid being so overt. rather, it appears that they believe it is acceptable and safe to spew such hatred.

ofc, that is only one example. there are tons of others. and we have, fairly gently imo, brought those to your attention for years now.

it is clear that the republican party is simply an extremist organization that does not just support white supremacists, rather they comprise it.