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It seemed like Paul wasn't going to vote for anything the Senate came up with other than a straight repeal and there were numerous Senators, Shelley Capito (WV) first and foremost, that ain't supporting that.

I don't think anything substantial is passing. Paul won't get bought off, (Mike Lee maybe not either) and there are enough folks that ain't supporting repeal with no replace.

This is still a dead issue no matter the back slapping.

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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod

I don't understand why that's the problem.

They are voting on debate today. Not a bill. It's not hard at all to see someone going from Yes to No when they switch from voting to debate to voting for a bill

you guys are just wrong. this is a lock to pass now that its in debate.

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07-25-2017 , 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Victor

you guys are just wrong. this is a lock to pass now that its in debate.

Not just this AHCRA tho, but some odd ass frankenbill like what the House managed to pass through.

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07-25-2017 , 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod

I'm a nit and I'd snap bet on a bill passing. Hope I'm wrong.

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07-25-2017 , 05:00 PM

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McCain's speech would have meant something had he voted no.

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07-25-2017 , 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Victor

you guys are just wrong. this is a lock to pass now that its in debate.

Rand Paul and Mike Lee want to completely dismantle all aid, Medicaid first and foremost. Capito's state has benefited from the expansion of Medicaid as much, if not more than, any other state. It would be unconscionable for her to agree with that. I don't see a middle ground that these parties can find, honestly.

Capito issued a statement a few hours ago that specifically highlighted her commitment to maintaining Medicaid and addiction treatment. These are nonstarters for Paul and Lee. They're really quite far apart.

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07-25-2017 , 05:10 PM

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At the very least we can all agree that Heller is just a dead man walking at this point.

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07-25-2017 , 05:23 PM

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McCain sung like a bird for the North Vietnamese. He gave them more aid than Jane Fonda ever dreamed of.

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07-25-2017 , 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by loosekanen

you are still actually taking republicans at their word? lol at that.

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07-25-2017 , 05:40 PM

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something could pass, but I would still rate it coin flippish.

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07-25-2017 , 06:00 PM

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trump putting bolton in charge is genuinely the biggest threat to peace in the world. the guy is a complete psychopath

https://twitter.com/ColinKahl/status/889848447297216512

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07-25-2017 , 06:11 PM

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I spent most of my college editorialist career explaining all the ways in which John Bolton endangers America and the world, is incompetent, and is the arch neo-con warmonger.

Not surprised at all that Trump would find him to be a great, strong, not weak, bigly terrific guy.

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07-25-2017 , 06:13 PM

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I'd probably argue that presenting it as the ACA (or even single payer) vs trumpcare is in itself a lie. The dems may have been the party of the working class at one time but that ended long ago. May as well talk about republicans freeing slaves.

i assume you are trying to say that neither party is the party of the working class? because it surely isnt the republicans.

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07-25-2017 , 06:39 PM

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Today already full of BAD NEWS and now we got to toss in some John Bolton? Putrid people are what Trump surrounds himself with, the true WOATs swarm to him.

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07-25-2017 , 06:54 PM

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https://twitter.com/Mobute/status/889631433366679552

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07-25-2017 , 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CPHoya

he's not even a neocon. the neocons have some idea of remaking countries into more peaceful, liberal societies. bolton doesnt. he's just an uberhawk who wants to wage war on as many countries as possible. iran is the most likely but far from the only candidate

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07-25-2017 , 07:31 PM

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At least he's not Ramsay though

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07-25-2017 , 07:40 PM

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At least he's not Ramsay though

he's kinda is http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0505/S00240.htm

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07-25-2017 , 08:03 PM

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he's kinda is http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0505/S00240.htm

Ok fine then at least he's not Hilary then

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07-25-2017 , 08:42 PM

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I think they've moved on to calling it the kill the moochers act, or something similar.

Spoiler:

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07-25-2017 , 10:15 PM

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BCRA fails to pass, 43 for and 57 against.

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07-25-2017 , 10:41 PM

#37446

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Next up is straight repeal I think. Seems like that's pretty unlikely too.

After that it's on to the endless amendment stuff right?

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07-25-2017 , 10:49 PM

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They're gonna end up passing a bill mandating that Obamacare be called Republicare with no changes other than mandatory participation in the Medicaid expansion

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07-26-2017 , 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Riverman

They're gonna end up passing a bill mandating that Obamacare be called "Absolutely the Bestcare (Seriously Your Head is Gonna Spin, That is How Amazing this Care Is)" with no changes other than mandatory participation in the Medicaid expansion

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07-26-2017 , 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod

BCRA fails to pass, 43 for and 57 against.

McCain was one of the 43 for anyone that believed his passionate speech

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07-26-2017 , 09:20 AM

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Kneel B4 Zod

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it's looking like "skinny repeal" is most likely. They will make some small changes to Ocare and hail them as big ones. that gets them the benefit of keeping their promise to do something, but that's all that they are likely to be able to pass.

it will come with similar downsides though, just smaller (costs will go up along with FREEDOM)

2nd most likely is nothing happens. major changes unlikely IMO

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