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07-21-2017 , 02:29 PM
At a local and even state level, most people aren't completely Mike Pence level evil. Running a campaign is largely administrative and that experience translates.

There probably less cross over on the heavy strategy stuff, although manipulating people would seem pretty universal.
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07-21-2017 , 02:31 PM
SPICE

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07-21-2017 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Palo
Karl Rove joining up to help make the Hillary 2020 hindsight campaign happen would make so many heads explode.

David Axelrod hooking up with Ted Cruz would make it even better.
Dick Morris says hi
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07-21-2017 , 02:37 PM
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07-21-2017 , 02:40 PM
Reality TV

Stay tuned for next week.
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07-21-2017 , 05:56 PM
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Who are these campaign managers working for both Democrats and Republicans outside of, like, city council races maybe?




Spoiler:
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07-21-2017 , 06:32 PM
With all the wonders of modern technology that's the best they could do to make his face look likable?

So is the Bannon crew's objection to scaramoosh a) a good sign, because it means more of trump's strings will be getting pulled by someone less evil than them, b) a bad thing because, against all odds, trump has hired a new puppetmaster even more evil than Bannon, or c) no one really knows?
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07-22-2017 , 09:05 AM
he can't be worse than bannon
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07-22-2017 , 01:49 PM
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07-22-2017 , 03:43 PM
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TRUMP: But what it does, Maggie, it means it gets tougher and tougher. As they get something, it gets tougher. Because politically, you can’t give it away. So pre-existing conditions are a tough deal. Because you are basically saying from the moment the insurance, you’re 21 years old, you start working and you’re paying $12 a year for insurance, and by the time you’re 70, you get a nice plan. Here’s something where you walk up and say, “I want my insurance.” It’s a very tough deal, but it is something that we’re doing a good job of.
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Christopher D. Long‏ @octonion
Why does Trump think health insurance costs $12/year? Because Gerber advertises life insurance for babies on Fox News for about that price.

That's right, Trump's understanding of health insurance is so non-existent that he doesn't even know it's not the same as life insurance.

Human life means so little to Trump he can't even be bothered to spend seconds to understand critical things on the crudest, simplest level.

You'd think even the laziest, most self-centered person, when elected to such an office, would at least try to understand these things.
https://twitter.com/octonion/status/888796242586722304

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TRUMP: This health care is a tough deal. I said it from the beginning. No. 1, you know, a lot of the papers were saying — actually, these guys couldn’t believe it, how much I know about it. I know a lot about health care.
amazing
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07-22-2017 , 04:18 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/22/u...ns-russia.html

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WASHINGTON — Congressional leaders have reached an agreement on sweeping sanctions legislation to punish Russia for its election-meddling and aggression toward its neighbors, they said Saturday, defying the White House’s argument that President Trump needs flexibility to adjust the sanctions to fit his diplomatic initiatives with Moscow.

The new legislation sharply limits the president’s ability to suspend or terminate the sanctions. At a moment when investigations into the Trump campaign’s interactions with Russian officials have cast a shadow over his presidency, Mr. Trump could soon face a bleak decision: veto the bill — and fuel accusations that he is doing the bidding of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia — or sign legislation imposing sanctions his administration abhors.


but he'll obv veto the bill
fire Mueller
preemptively pardon everyone in his inner circle
etc
business as usual (which includes actively trying to kill the ACA)
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07-22-2017 , 04:20 PM
What would be the count for veto proof?
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07-22-2017 , 04:31 PM
2/3rds
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07-22-2017 , 04:37 PM
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What would be the count for veto proof?
Presumably 19 Rs, assuming all 48 D/I's agree to try and override a veto

Best bet is somehow to pass this was like 60 votes, because passing it with say 75 votes just means Trump can remove all responsibility.

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07-22-2017 , 05:11 PM
Senate is easier than house I would think, since they said senate version was near unanimous in principle. I'd say it's probably up to ryan to orchestrate either less than 2/3 majority or more.
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07-22-2017 , 07:15 PM
Hot take alert:

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while each individual instance of 'cop kills unarmed' is objectively horrifying and each cop who pulls the trigger belongs in prison for murder, the overzealous demonizing of the police as if this is some kind of epidemic basically amounts to the left's version of demonizing the entire Muslim world for a single attack

It bothers me a lot that each individual instance of this by itself gets more airtime than the injustice of civil forfeiture (an ACTUAL problem worth unrelenting outrage) has ever gotten
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07-22-2017 , 07:19 PM
The epidemic is the militarization of the police. The us vs them mindset.

Them killing us is the easiest thing to get righteously indignant over and have others become sympathetic to the position.
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07-22-2017 , 07:25 PM
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Hot take alert:

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while each individual instance of 'cop kills unarmed' is objectively horrifying and each cop who pulls the trigger belongs in prison for murder, the overzealous demonizing of the police as if this is some kind of epidemic basically amounts to the left's version of demonizing the entire Muslim world for a single attack

It bothers me a lot that each individual instance of this by itself gets more airtime than the injustice of civil forfeiture (an ACTUAL problem worth unrelenting outrage) has ever gotten
Police is a government institution, with a code of conduct rules, accountability, and culture imposed from above. The citizenry is responsible for electing officials who will run and oversee it in good faith. The left doesn't demonize all of police, when they ask for actual oversight and accountability.

The Muslim community is diverse, disjointed, and overwhelmingly just want to lead their own lives, even while their rights are routinely trampled. Generalizations of the two groups are not similar at all.
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07-22-2017 , 07:39 PM
I think it is similar. It's an oversimplification and generalization of the simplest thing to wrap your head around and an overreaction to that generalization. It's a problem, but a tiny one both in terms of percentage of occurance and relativity to other problems

In the broad sense I agree 100% the militarization of the police is yuge problem that needs oversight, accountability and curtailing that doesn't seem remotely close to ever happening but the only thing people get up in arms about is a shooting and the response is temporary until the next one.

There has never been a plan for what comes next, the outrage is never sustainable because a majority of the people who take to the streets or protest are propostrously uninformed you end up with the candle burning bright early and out fast. The formula is usually pretty simple:

1. Cop shoots civilian
2. OMG COPS ARE KILLING US ALL
3. TO THE STREETS!!!!
4. 'NO JUSTICE NO PEACE!'
5. Repeat 4 with less and less people for about a week til nothing's left
6. Return to apathy
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07-22-2017 , 07:48 PM
Consider that militarization is occurring in virtually every law enforcement department meaning that every cop is undergoing a culture shift at his workplace. We know that a hostile culture breeds these incidents when force is abused, and their political clout defends the perpetrators. but religious radicalization by fundamentalists is still very rare and fringe, yet regular peaceful muslims experience their demonization on a regular basis.
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07-22-2017 , 08:34 PM
SRM,

It's not strictly that cops kill people. It's that cops kill people and almost never face justice, and in that, it's really hard not to say that the entirety of the criminal justice system is complicit in letting cops get away with murder all the time. If cops were routinely arrested, charged, arraigned, tried, and convicted as common murderers when they murdered people, you wouldn't see protests when cops kill people. You'd also hopefully see a lot fewer instances of cops killing people.
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07-23-2017 , 12:03 PM
islam is obviously pretty crazy
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07-23-2017 , 12:53 PM
ya ... so is christianity
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07-23-2017 , 12:59 PM
the pope has Gods cell phone # man.
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07-23-2017 , 01:06 PM
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SRM,

It's not strictly that cops kill people. It's that cops kill people and almost never face justice, and in that, it's really hard not to say that the entirety of the criminal justice system is complicit in letting cops get away with murder all the time. If cops were routinely arrested, charged, arraigned, tried, and convicted as common murderers when they murdered people, you wouldn't see protests when cops kill people. You'd also hopefully see a lot fewer instances of cops killing people.
While the enforcers of law, and those given power by citizens, need to be held to a higher moral standard than those citizens, you also need to be careful when prosecuting police. That is, the punishment can't be results oriented so that it won't discourage officers from using force in the correct situations in the future.
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