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Old 07-17-2017, 07:31 PM   #37001
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"What good is your precious tax cut if the police frame you for crimes and seize your assets?"

Maybe the best idea I've heard for the democrats' 2018 slogan. Also an expansion of my question to disko.
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Old 07-17-2017, 07:36 PM   #37002
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They don't even need to frame you, they can just take your **** and never charge you with a crime
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Old 07-17-2017, 07:51 PM   #37003
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They don't even need to frame you, they can just take your **** and never charge you with a crime
Connecticut just said "Nah"
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Old 07-17-2017, 08:12 PM   #37004
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They don't even need to frame you, they can just take your **** and never charge you with a crime
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The law did nothing to close the loophole of sharing the loot with the Feds so they can still seize stuff.
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Old 07-17-2017, 08:25 PM   #37005
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Mr Plunkett also said in the statement there were “several investigations ongoing” around Noor.
The officer had little more than two years experience, and had already been sued over an incident on the job earlier this year.
According to federal court documents detailing the open case, Noor, along with another officer, allegedly forced his way into a woman’s home and taking her to hospital.
The complaint alleges Noor and the other officer of forcing their way into the woman’s house “without any reasonable or legal cause” and accuses them of “violently and forcibly detained her and transported her against her will”.
The woman was told she was sent to hospital because she was in a “mental health crisis” and calling 911 “a million times”, which she denies.
The complainant alleges false imprisonment, battery, assault, negligence, and violating civil rights.
The complaint was filed to the US District court just over three weeks ago, and the case is ongoing.
Minneapolis television station KARE11 has reported Noor has “two open complaints against him from 2017 and one from 2016”, but fails to detail what they are.
Why the **** was he still able to work?
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Old 07-17-2017, 08:27 PM   #37006
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This is the dude who killed the woman in pajamas?
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Old 07-17-2017, 08:30 PM   #37007
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This is the dude who killed the woman in pajamas?


Yup.

Cops!
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Old 07-17-2017, 09:33 PM   #37008
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Health care vote DEAD
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Old 07-17-2017, 09:34 PM   #37009
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I don't expect anyone to sit through 50 minutes of this, but I enjoyed it (ignore the clickbait title). It's remarkable to see just how far Trump is below someone like Dubya, who was widely regarded as an idiot.

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Old 07-17-2017, 10:36 PM   #37010
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Clinton, "one of the best things in politics is to be consistently under rated"

Bush cuts in, "I was pretty good at that."
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:46 PM   #37011
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well this just sucks

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Old 07-17-2017, 11:07 PM   #37012
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well this just sucks

Yep, when there were posts a week or so ago about a large number of Trumpkins believing US universities/colleges were bad for America couldn't help but think that is not such a crazy notion. Obscene how tuition has skyrocketed, instead of viewing education as a public good, university administrators behave as if though they are entitled to a huge percentage of the surplus income young people get from learning. And that is for the GOOD ones as applied to good students, many are practically scams.
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Old 07-17-2017, 11:57 PM   #37013
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Yeah this is why the shouts for "free college" are off the mark imo, it seems pretty clear there's overspending in the sector for whatever reason.
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Old 07-18-2017, 12:01 AM   #37014
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there may be overspending in the sector but most funding comes from states and states have slashed said funding since the recession and some are still slashing
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Old 07-18-2017, 12:03 AM   #37015
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there may be overspending in the sector but most funding comes from states and states have slashed said funding since the recession and some are still slashing
Yeah, virtually free college was already a thing. It was killed by the people who enjoyed it.
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Old 07-18-2017, 12:14 AM   #37016
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Politics aside, just want a President that doesn't embarrass the US on the world stage.

The ROCK or Kanye will get us back on track.
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Old 07-18-2017, 12:45 AM   #37017
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Yep, when there were posts a week or so ago about a large number of Trumpkins believing US universities/colleges were bad for America couldn't help but think that is not such a crazy notion. Obscene how tuition has skyrocketed, instead of viewing education as a public good, university administrators behave as if though they are entitled to a huge percentage of the surplus income young people get from learning. And that is for the GOOD ones as applied to good students, many are practically scams.
You as the trumpkins conflate student debt with university education. It is obscene that college education is not available to a willing student for financial reasons. But tuition is going up because the demand is higher than ever. At the time when public universities are cutting back on education and can't afford to attract more students, it is STILL one of the best investments a person can make in themselves. It statistically solves a wide range of issues in your favor. You will make more money over your lifetime, be more employable and employed, your homeownership chance will go up, you will likely travel more, have fewer kids, be incarcerated less often, and live longer. And yes, the industry is faced with a wide range of for profit frauds who have also figured out that they can sell a dream.
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Old 07-18-2017, 12:53 AM   #37018
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One of the major reasons to go to college is to make more money than you would otherwise. If you don't financially benefit from college then you did something wrong.
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Old 07-18-2017, 01:07 AM   #37019
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One of the major reasons to go to college is to make more money than you would otherwise. If you don't financially benefit from college then you did something wrong.
I know more people that didn't benefit from college in the $ perspective than did. Broke with whatever jobs they didn't need a degree for.

Not everyone is a lawyer or a finance bro.
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Old 07-18-2017, 01:09 AM   #37020
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You will make more money over your lifetime.
I doubt this is true for majority of people who go these days if you count net (ie the debt). Grads outnumber jobs that need it and many getting worthless degrees because people tell them stuff like this and go to college rather than it's all in specific degrees and everything else is a giant waste of money and you set yourself back hard if you get the wrong one.
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Old 07-18-2017, 02:41 AM   #37021
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I doubt this is true for majority of people who go these days if you count net (ie the debt). Grads outnumber jobs that need it and many getting worthless degrees because people tell them stuff like this and go to college rather than it's all in specific degrees and everything else is a giant waste of money and you set yourself back hard if you get the wrong one.
https://cew.georgetown.edu/wp-conten...f-complete.pdf

It's almost a million dollar difference between median incomes of a high school diploma vs a bachelor's degree. I agree with you that people shouldn't need to borrow heavily to go to college, that stuff should be free or heavily subsidized. but in the absence of other opportunity they can borrow and repay up to $500k in principal and interest and still make a sweet 100% profit over their lifetimes. That's real money homie. Straight cash, too legit to quit. It's even better for the government, because that's earned income taxed at a higher marginal rate. It costs them like $500 worth of books and maintenance of a crappy dorm room and classroom for 4 years to keep the university lights on, and they reap the tax benefits for the rest of the student's lifetime.
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Old 07-18-2017, 02:59 AM   #37022
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We need a technological revolution in the delivery of health care and education.
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Old 07-18-2017, 03:22 AM   #37023
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It's even better for the government, because that's earned income taxed at a higher marginal rate. It costs them like $500 worth of books and maintenance of a crappy dorm room and classroom for 4 years to keep the university lights on, and they reap the tax benefits for the rest of the student's lifetime.
Yeah, see this is the sort of fallacy that makes me suspicious of free college. You've certainly demonstrated that those who attend college have better incomes than those that don't. Technically you have not demonstrated any causation there; it could be the case that people who attend college are just smarter and do better in the workforce and that's why they have better salaries (I don't believe this, but it's one interpretation).

But what you DEFINITELY have not demonstrated is that college education actually creates these better paying jobs. The alternative is that colleges are simply rent-seeking gatekeepers to the scarce good jobs that are out there. The truth is going to be somewhere in the middle. Obviously to an extent, educating people does empower them to create wealth. But equally obviously, sending everyone to college is not going to mean that everyone gets those higher incomes.

The whole sector needs much better information availability. At the moment we really have no clue whether colleges are providing value for money in a social sense.
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Old 07-18-2017, 03:24 AM   #37024
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We need a technological revolution in the delivery of health care and education.
No we don't, we can already do it cheaply enough. Pool the resources and you can do it for significantly less than poverty level per year. Young people are generally not sick and don't have kids, so their expenses are minimal. The government should just put the money in. colleges already have a positive impact as the earnings numbers indicate. That's not a reversible long-term trend.
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Old 07-18-2017, 03:37 AM   #37025
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Yeah, see this is the sort of fallacy that makes me suspicious of free college. You've certainly demonstrated that those who attend college have better incomes than those that don't. Technically you have not demonstrated any causation there; it could be the case that people who attend college are just smarter and do better in the workforce and that's why they have better salaries (I don't believe this, but it's one interpretation).

But what you DEFINITELY have not demonstrated is that college education actually creates these better paying jobs. The alternative is that colleges are simply rent-seeking gatekeepers to the scarce good jobs that are out there. The truth is going to be somewhere in the middle. Obviously to an extent, educating people does empower them to create wealth. But equally obviously, sending everyone to college is not going to mean that everyone gets those higher incomes.

The whole sector needs much better information availability. At the moment we really have no clue whether colleges are providing value for money in a social sense.
It's not a fallacy. It's simply a long term trend that exists across cultures and eras. There's nothing inherently different between high school and college. When public schools became compulsory through 12th grade via taxes, we likely had the same debate about jobs. But it created a generation of more capable workers. That was more than a hundred years ago. It's time to guarantee more education access, not less.
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