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05-19-2017 , 10:25 AM
Shipped $50 to Quist, have already shipped [a lot] to Ossoff.
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05-19-2017 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by mullen
CDL,

Bernie more "unlikable" than Hillary? Loooooooooooooooooooooooool. Thinking he'd be a worse president is defensible. Hillary is extremely unlikable and Bernie is a great person though.
I didn't say more unlikable. I said fewer people liked him. Those are different things. This is true because if more people liked him than Hillary he would have won the primary but Hillary crushed him with minorities. I don't know why its so hard for people to understand, but minorities love the Clintons.

Bernie is very respectable and likable on a personal level, but his politics aren't and thus he isn't a likable politician in the eyes of many.
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05-19-2017 , 10:30 AM
I mean, the underlying thread that explains "Hillary>Bernie despite losing to Trump" is that most Americans don't possess the knowledge the accurately assess the worthiness of a potential president. i.e. people are stupid

You may disagree with that, but it is a claim that logically explains its position
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05-19-2017 , 10:40 AM
Oh don't forget that while we were are all fixating on a constitutional crisis, a 3 person panel is dismantling the internet in favor or oligopolies and a proven racist is reintroducing harsh drug policies that don't work and inherently target minorities and the poor.

Marketplace of ideas.
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05-19-2017 , 10:42 AM
So minorities were all going to vote for Trump then?

Last edited by -Insert Witty SN-; 05-19-2017 at 10:42 AM. Reason: @cdl
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05-19-2017 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
I didn't say more unlikable. I said fewer people liked him. Those are different things. This is true because if more people liked him than Hillary he would have won the primary but Hillary crushed him with minorities. I don't know why its so hard for people to understand, but minorities love the Clintons.

Bernie is very respectable and likable on a personal level, but his politics aren't and thus he isn't a likable politician in the eyes of many.
b/c data suggests that minority voters who stayed home on election day really hurt Hillary. they didn't turn out as expected. uneducated white voters, otoh, turned out in droves for Trump. this is one of the main arguments for why people (like me) should have supported Bernie over Trump - he would have been much more competitive in this demo, and Hillary lost the south anyways
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05-19-2017 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n


Quist seems especially awesome. Openly for single payer and legalization of marijuana.

Ossof at 51% on predictit, Quist at 33%, Parnell at 9%

Some of these are really small districts though it really does not take a lot of votes to win.
Montana still only has 1 Representative for over a million people. It is literally the largest district in the house (in terms of population).
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05-19-2017 , 10:48 AM
Another interesting Quist fact is that he is an enthusiast of the nudist lifestyle. Plays GREAT politically.
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05-19-2017 , 10:50 AM
He probably goes nude into women's rooms on days he feels female. The ads write themselves obv.
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05-19-2017 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by -Insert Witty SN-
So minorities were all going to vote for Trump then?
doubtful, but if they voted Bernie in the primary at the rate that they voted Hillary then Bernie would have won easily. They didn't though.

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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod
b/c data suggests that minority voters who stayed home on election day really hurt Hillary. they didn't turn out as expected. uneducated white voters, otoh, turned out in droves for Trump. this is one of the main arguments for why people (like me) should have supported Bernie over Trump - he would have been much more competitive in this demo, and Hillary lost the south anyways
and whats your point? I'm talking about the reason Hillary beat Bernie which was due, substantially, to her support from minorities and his lack of support from them.
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05-19-2017 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
Shipped $50 to Quist,
I will match you. Thanks to Wooderson for his posts above, I have not been following this and now I am good and rustled.
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05-19-2017 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
I want to be very clear that I am not defending Tom Perez or the DNC's work in this post.

Quist rejected DNC assistance when it was offered, seemingly because he views it as detrimental in Montana - no one likes the DNC in Montana. He is taking a page from Bernie's book in that regard.

Perez's options are to bend the knee and fund ads anyway, or do what he's doing, which is respect the guy's wishes. It may be that Quist is right, and that Perez has concluded that Quist maxes his odds by remaining Bernie-ish.

So yes, there is a reasonable narrative here that goes: the DNC is so ****ty that not being involved in close races because of its own unpopularity is an acknowledged GTO strategy.
They should still be silently funding him (maybe they are idk).
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05-19-2017 , 11:06 AM
being rustled is the key
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05-19-2017 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
I want to be very clear that I am not defending Tom Perez or the DNC's work in this post.

Quist rejected DNC assistance when it was offered, seemingly because he views it as detrimental in Montana - no one likes the DNC in Montana. He is taking a page from Bernie's book in that regard.

Perez's options are to bend the knee and fund ads anyway, or do what he's doing, which is respect the guy's wishes. It may be that Quist is right, and that Perez has concluded that Quist maxes his odds by remaining Bernie-ish.

So yes, there is a reasonable narrative here that goes: the DNC is so ****ty that not being involved in close races because of its own unpopularity is an acknowledged GTO strategy.
What was that phrase I used yesterday, "afraid of their own shadow"? In an election, the portion of people who have any idea what the DNC even is is insignificant, let alone would care and affect their vote. I'm more comfortable with the nudist idea.
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05-19-2017 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Holliday
What was that phrase I used yesterday, "afraid of their own shadow"? In an election, the portion of people who have any idea what the DNC even is is insignificant, let alone would care and affect their vote. I'm more comfortable with the nudist idea.
Quist is probably thinking of it from a different angle than the DNC is hated because it is crooked. More so Rs run ads saying those damn dirty LIBERALS from CALIFORNIA and NYC are flooding our state with teh SHARIA money to take your GUNS and install teh COMMUNISM.

He has a page on his website about protecting 2nd amendment rights for example.
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05-19-2017 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
Quist is probably thinking of it from a different angle than the DNC is hated because it is crooked. More so Rs run ads saying those damn dirty LIBERALS from CALIFORNIA and NYC are flooding our state with teh SHARIA money to take your GUNS and install teh COMMUNISM.

He has a page on his website about protecting 2nd amendment rights for example.
The Rs will run those same ads anyway. Oh, it'll be more inaccurate then?

Just going to channel Woody; "No one cares."
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05-19-2017 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Holliday
The Rs will run those same ads anyway. Oh, it'll be more inaccurate then?

Just going to channel Woody; "No one cares."
An election is not a contest to see who can raise the most money. You spend that money to persuade people. All I'm saying is that Quist probably thinks that being officially associated with the national party would do more harm than good because of his constituents distrust of liberals generally. Also, he is already raising more money than he can spend without the DNC anyway.
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05-19-2017 , 12:02 PM
Yes, what pwn said.
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05-19-2017 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
An election is not a contest to see who can raise the most money. You spend that money to persuade people. All I'm saying is that Quist probably thinks that being officially associated with the national party would do more harm than good because of his constituents distrust of liberals generally. Also, he is already raising more money than he can spend without the DNC anyway.
You lost me with the first part, then won me over with the last part. In between I thought you were going to start telling me about the healing powers of tuning forks and macrobiotic food.
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05-19-2017 , 12:09 PM
Hoya; serious climbers *love* the healing powers of tuning forks!
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05-19-2017 , 12:27 PM
Strongly disagree he couldn't use the extra money. At worst he could have at least had it sooner.

In a perfect world the DNC wouldn't be so awful and could coexist with progressive candidates.
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05-19-2017 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
Strongly disagree he couldn't use the extra money. At worst he could have at least had it sooner.

In a perfect world the DNC wouldn't be so awful and could coexist with progressive candidates.
The notion that the DNC just isn't progressive enough to appeal to Montana voters is just a completely ridiculous notion on its face. Your average Montana voter doesn't think Wall Street shill when he thinks of the DNC, he thinks that that ***** Nancy Pelosi is coming to grab his guns. If you go to Quist's website, protecting the second amendment is literally the second bullet point on his issues page, falling only below jobs and the economy and one slot above health care. That's why being associated too closely with the national DNC hurts in places like Montana. People in rural areas love their guns, love them. Even drive around the rural parts of NY, you will see signs everywhere denouncing the SAFE act, everywhere. It's a huge, huge, huge, huge issue that candidates in red states have to distance themselves from
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05-19-2017 , 12:55 PM
People who live in Montana are pretty ****ing weird. I think they are a unique case.

You'd think they'd hate the R candidate (and he lost the last Gubernatorial election so they provably do)
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05-19-2017 , 01:12 PM
God, I know I'm not supposed to call these idiots "stupid" but WTF is this dystopia they walk around with on the forefront of their minds such that protecting the beloved guns with NRA-genuflectors controlling all aspects of government is somehow outweighing being able to have medical insurance, which they are acttively trying to take away?
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05-19-2017 , 01:17 PM
Need lotsa guns to protect yourself from the gubment, but let's reallocate funds from taxing the uber rich to more military spending!

Have fun using your rifles to defend yourself against government drone strikes if it ever comes to that.
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