It's crazy how there are just a few non awful people who just kinda randomly have found themselves to be the only thing standing between the complete collapse of democracy

Comey Rubenstein Mueller

Sessions is more evil than Trump and Nixon combined though

Very, very live possibility of "Oh yeah, it was bad, but not quite indictable" happening, which is just about worst case for the anti-Trump, pro-sanity side.

cop betty shelby found not guilt in the shooting death of unarmed african american Terrence Crutcher in Tulsa, OK.


for those not familiar with the case, she saw his car in the middle of the road, he was acting erratically, she determined him to be high on drugs, a bunch of other officers showed up including a helicopter, and she shot him on camera as he was turning back towards his car.

#trumpsamerica

Dude, LOL at the idea that investigating Trump's dealings won't turn up a ****load of crimes. These investigations don't have to stay on topic; Clinton was indicted for perjury about Lewinsky in an investigation into a 20 year old real estate deal, ffs. JFC, even his damn charity is a scam and I doubt he could testify about it without committing perjury or confessing let alone a thousand other shady business dealings that'll come up. Bigger risk is if they want to wait to catalog *all* the indictable and impeachable crimes before closing the investigation.

"Nothing quite indictable here.", bwahahahaha.

What's your price that Trump either resigns or is impeached and removed when Mueller is done?

Just think: it's been speculated pretty credibly that Trump's run for President started off more or less as a publicity stunt. It got out of control and now Trump has a special counsel investigating him and his dealings. He got caught up in an Idiocracy-style movement to elect a manifestly unsuitable man. He started something he couldn't control and his own success was the seed of his downfall. It's Shakespearian. We are living through history, bros.

RT, 67 votes needed in Senate to remove makes it pretty tough as you know. Issue is that President can only be judged by Congress so can't just convict him as it's a political process no matter how criminal he is. People in his campaign/administration who do not enjoy such protection are definitely going down though.

Bolded is unquestionably true. Flynn and co. are going to federal pound me in the ass prison.

My worry is that Cheeto Benito skates by the narrowest of margins while his boys take the fall.

Well I rather be making political bets where at least I have something to be happy about if I lose, but since you asked...a hundred if includes resigns any time before investigation finishes or before impeachment finished.

Yeah, but Trump would not skate by because Trump's crimes are "not quite indictable." If Mueller could prosecute Trump in court he would be screwed. Issue is that Trump voters knew Trump was as a criminal when they voted for him so tough to get 67 Senators to go through the political process of removing him when their constituents don't give a damn (or worse are glad Trump is a scumbag because he is going to be "greedy for them," lol).

Cheeto Benito can pardon all of them.

Its going to end up more Greek than Shakespearean.

Trump is no Greek hero and there's nothing tragic about him getting run out of office.

I'm gonna need odds if my point was so crazy playa.

We're on the same side here, but der markt only has odds for impeachment at 28% right now (not sure if that means removal or just literally indictment). Obviously he should be removed from office for his crimes, but I still agree with the market that "verbal lashing, no real punishment" is the likeliest outcome.

Either a bunch of his cronies go down and he gets by or he gets impeached but the Senate can't get past 67 votes to remove.

I also think it's highly likely that this takes us into and past the 2018 midterms. If that happens, and if Pence is implicated, removal odds are effectively zero as if the Dems control the house, it isn't happening.

Edit: obviously happy to include resignation in the bet at any point because Lolololol Trump ever quitting. Nixon had pride to protect, Trump has no such burden

Mueller still reports to Rubenstein technically. Trump could order Rubenstein to fire him, or Trump could fire Rubenstein and replace him with somebody else who fires Mueller. This is basically the Nixon scenario - the President can just keep firing people.

Nixon was impeached nine months after this went done. though I think things move faster now.

Roger Ailes, 77, died. Shame he held on for those last 57 years.

He looked so healthy, how did this happen?

Simply one of the biggest scumbags of the last century. No one should be saying anything good about him now that he's dead. I'd like to piss on his grave if i got the chance. World a slightly better place today.

"impeachment" can mean so many things though. I think what you are going for is "will Trump complete his first term" and for that the odds are close to even.

He's sexually harassing angels in heaven now...

His battery ran out of juice

strong contender for best obituary

Does rump even realize his administration appointed mueller? On one hand I feel like he can't be this stupid on the other I would also fully believe he thinks schumer appointed him or some ****

no. trump is done. he pissed off the doj and the fbi and they are going after him and they are actually competent and care about their jobs and organizations. that comey move was his downfall.