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Depends on how it turns out:

No wall: "Aint it cool how he suckered all those rubes into thinking he'd build a wall? Trump rulezzz!"

Boondoggle wall: "He said he'd build and and he did. Even though the wall does nothing and runs up the debt and deficit - Trump delivered and that's all that matters."

Half-assed stab at a tiny part of the wall: "Democrats sabotaged the great wall. TRUMP rulezz!"

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03-21-2017 , 03:11 PM

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wheatrich

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Really do not understand the pro wall sentiment. I guess it's much easier if you don't have to live near it. Would not call berlin wall "pretty successful" but I guess everybody is building walls these days.

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03-21-2017 , 03:24 PM

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El Rata

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everytime i hear about the wall i think of this brilliant video and start to laugh

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03-21-2017 , 03:26 PM

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StoppedRainingMen

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Originally Posted by Wooders0n

Examples of successful walls?

Examples of successful walls on borders even somewhat as large as the US/Mexico border?

Citation of "Hillary wanted a wall too?"

hillary and obummer both voted for dubya's border fence when they were senators

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03-21-2017 , 03:36 PM

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diskoteque

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Originally Posted by mullen

Illegal immigrant population has been taking an overall big hit for a decade. There was a slight bump last year but overall it's been decreasing besides that.

Projected cost of the fence was way less, smaller in size and still hit way too many roadblocks to get done as written. Texas border land is a ton of rivers, Big Bend national park and private landowners. Invoking eminent domain to seize all that land is a legal nightmare and physical construction of the wall is impossible in many places. In 2017 it just seems like a poor option compared to alternatives.

Thanks and yeah i figured as much on Texas. Do you know anything about how costs of significantly upping human security across the border compare to wall costs? Feels like it's more logistically feasible but I think would be more expensive?

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03-21-2017 , 04:05 PM

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Wooders0n

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Doubt were very far away from robot border patrol

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03-21-2017 , 04:33 PM

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Noze

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Border security is also a much bigger deal/need to certain segments of the media than in reality.

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03-21-2017 , 04:39 PM

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suzzer99

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Originally Posted by wheatrich

disko and his buddies have basically come out and said it: the Wall itself isn't as important as the symbolism.

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03-21-2017 , 04:42 PM

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Yea, the wall is a bad solution to a non existent problem. But whatever, gotta have border security yo!

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03-21-2017 , 04:45 PM

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MrWookie

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1. Most illegal immigrants enter the country legally and would not be stopped by a wall.
2. Illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than the native population.
3. Illegal immigrants are a big net win for the economy, including for blue collar workers.
4. Most illegal immigrants pay federal income taxes (with the ability to get a refund if they overpay), and virtually all pay state and local taxes.

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03-21-2017 , 04:50 PM

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Noze

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I mean you're dealing with people like pwnsall who want to end all immigration via executive order. What the **** are you supposed to say to idiocy like that?

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03-21-2017 , 04:54 PM

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Empire Man

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Originally Posted by Riverman

I started off feeing sorry for Liar Spice but no more. He is evil.

Mouth of Sauron in case somebody hasn't seen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To_RJ_mPNqM

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03-21-2017 , 04:57 PM

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diskoteque

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Originally Posted by Wooders0n

Doubt were very far away from robot border patrol

If I wasn't phonepoasting I would totally post a

Simpsonsstoppresenthallpass.gif here lol

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03-21-2017 , 04:59 PM

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StoppedRainingMen

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Originally Posted by Noze

I mean you're dealing with people like pwnsall who want to end all immigration via executive order. What the **** are you supposed to say to idiocy like that?

Why? How? What then?

Keep repeating til the autofill on the choose your adventure ends and they realize they hadn't thought this far ahead

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03-21-2017 , 04:59 PM

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Onlydo2days

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CNBC acting like we're about to enter the Great Depression part 2

seems like fake news

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03-21-2017 , 05:01 PM

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80 times Trump talked about Putin

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/...ssia-timeline/

I enjoy:

"Oct. 17, 2013

Trump tells David Letterman that he’s done “a lot of business with the Russians” and says they are “smart” and “tough” and that they don’t look “so dumb right now.” He calls Putin a “tough guy” and says that he “met him once.”"

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03-21-2017 , 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by diskoteque

Right, I think the positives are difficult to quantify.

If we stop one illegal immigrant from murdering an American, what's that worth in terms of dollars?

When it comes to things like "making sure old people can eat" or "making sure Americans have health insurance", though - things that demonstrably save American lives - suddenly talking about cost becomes strangely important again!

It's just so, so weird which things conservatives choose to deploy the "unlimited supply of dollars" argument on and which things they don't...

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03-21-2017 , 05:18 PM

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Wooders0n

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Unlimited dollars = BAD when it harms rich white people

Unlimited dollars = GOOD when it hurts brown people.

Its that simple. There is truly no other factor at play at this point other than racism.

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03-21-2017 , 05:36 PM

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lenC

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Wall is a standard authoritative tool. Nothing was there, I came to power and now you have something you can SEE AND TOUCH rather than taking taxpayer money and sending it to some sketchy channels where they will end up in the hands of some lazy poor.

The trumpkins will see it as practical or somehow talk themselves into it(SAVING AMERICAN LIVES).

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03-21-2017 , 05:37 PM

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pwnsall

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I think I'm one of the few who talks about unlimited supply of dollars and I'm hardly a conservative.

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03-21-2017 , 05:41 PM

#32846

lenC

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Originally Posted by SirOsis

"Oct. 17, 2013

Trump tells David Letterman that he’s done “a lot of business with the Russians” and says they are “smart” and “tough” and that they don’t look “so dumb right now.” He calls Putin a “tough guy” and says that he “met him once.”"

In 2009 Viktor Orban a Hungarian nationalist who was firmly anti-Russia met with Putin for 15 minutes. Then he kinda changed his mind, switched to pro-Russia/anti-EU, got to power and is pretty much a dictator now. This Vlad guy must have the best words.

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03-21-2017 , 05:41 PM

#32847

Krayz

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Originally Posted by pwnsall

I think I'm one of the few who talks about unlimited supply of dollars and I'm hardly a conservative.

Your views hardly seem very different than Mike "Christian First, Conservative Second, Republican Third" Pence

They also suck, and I hope you realize that deep down.

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03-21-2017 , 05:46 PM

#32848

pwnsall

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If America for Americans and America first is sucky I'm ok with that. The religious stuff at the speech was weird but what're you gonna do

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03-21-2017 , 05:50 PM

#32849

El Rata

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so basically you're a fan of empty slogans

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03-21-2017 , 06:14 PM

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Krayz

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Originally Posted by pwnsall

If America for Americans and America first is sucky I'm ok with that. The religious stuff at the speech was weird but what're you gonna do

Their policies are not America for Americans. Look at the CBO impact (non-partisan) of the healthcare bill on Americans. You might convince yourself that's the case, but it's provably false. It does align with viewpoints that are overall abhorrent to anyone with a shred of empathy, but that's another thing entirely.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52486

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