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03-21-2017 , 02:19 PM

#32801

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This isn't a problem whatsoever for trump or people that want a wall.

Well it's a pretty tiny and overstated problem. Also think it's settled law.

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03-21-2017 , 02:20 PM

#32802

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What does a net economic gain even mean to you all? The point of a wall is to keep out illegal immigrants and protect borders not increase production of corn or get more dollars (which we have an unlimited supply of).

Right, I think the positives are difficult to quantify.

If we stop one illegal immigrant from murdering an American, what's that worth in terms of dollars?

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03-21-2017 , 02:22 PM

#32803

Noze

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When the step before PROFIT is ?????? maybe think twice before piling billions upon billions into a project.

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03-21-2017 , 02:27 PM

#32804

Krayz

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Unlimited supply of dollars itt

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03-21-2017 , 02:27 PM

#32805

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Originally Posted by pwnsall

Didn't you just say it's not practical but you like it as a symbol?

So which is it? Is the point to be a SYMBOL (of what btw?) or is the point to"keep out illegals and protect borders"

Also YOU said it will put Americans to work as a positive which implies you think it has economic value. Make up your mind.

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03-21-2017 , 02:27 PM

#32806

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a 30 billion dollar symbol to help scared whites sleep better at night

prob more effective to print the 30 billion in 1s and sprinkle it across the border and light it on fire.

harder to run through fire than hop fences

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03-21-2017 , 02:34 PM

#32807

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Originally Posted by Wooders0n

I'm uncertain of it's practicality. It's a complex algorithm.

Yeah I believe putting Americans to work is generally good. Or at least that's what they seem to want. I'm all for following the electorate.

Obviously we have unlimited dollars.

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03-21-2017 , 02:35 PM

#32808

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That would just be wasting paper and ink as the dollars no longer exist and aren't magical.

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03-21-2017 , 02:36 PM

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The topic was cost effectiveness. I guess if you acknowledge it's DEFINITELY worth ****ing over American landowners and making citizens pay for the wall with tax dollars and/or Mexican import $$ increases due to a border tax to MAYBE decrease illegal immigrant crime it becomes more interesting.

My opinion is that a physical wall is completely ineffective solution to a problem that has been going down overall over the last decade. Hell you'd be better off investing the wall money in towers, manpower, and camera/drone surveillance if you're looking at it strictly as keep as many illegals out as possible.

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03-21-2017 , 02:37 PM

#32810

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Thoughts on paying thousands to dig holes and other thousands to fill it back in?

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03-21-2017 , 02:39 PM

#32811

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Also if that wall is a super complex algorithm that we're just not smart enough to understand shouldn't that mean NOT wasting billions of dollars on it until we do?

Also don't we have computers that can solve that kinda stuff?

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03-21-2017 , 02:40 PM

#32812

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Always touching when lolconservatives discover that they were Keynesians all along, like a girl finally getting her period or a young lad's first pube

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03-21-2017 , 02:40 PM

#32813

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Nope, obviously when you run a country like a business you just fling billions around and hope some of it works.

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03-21-2017 , 02:40 PM

#32814

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I assume it's cool if our border with Canada remains undefined and mysterious

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03-21-2017 , 02:43 PM

#32815

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Originally Posted by diskoteque

Right, I think the positives are difficult to quantify.

If we stop one illegal immigrant from murdering an American, what's that worth in terms of dollars?

Looooool
Now the value of a human life matters?

Also hint, the answer is less than 20 ****ing billion

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03-21-2017 , 02:44 PM

#32816

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Canada has similar wages to us so people aren't fleeing there for here illegally in droves. Also much longer border. So yes some use of logic is necessary.

Trump was elected on some issues. One was building a wall. It's not obviously bad and possibly good in several ways. I think he should keep his promise to his electorate (which he has been doing ok so far).

If Hillary were elected I'd hope for her to have done something about bathrooms and started world war 3 for no reason like she promised.

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03-21-2017 , 02:46 PM

#32817

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I assume it's cool if our border with Canada remains undefined and mysterious

It's a fair assumption but I disagree. It just isn't as big of a priority as the Mexico border

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03-21-2017 , 02:47 PM

#32818

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Originally Posted by pwnsall

Canada has similar wages to us so people aren't fleeing there for here illegally. So yes some use of logic is necessary.

Trump was elected on some issues. One was building a wall. It's not obviously bad and possibly good in several ways. I think he should keep his promise to his electorate (which he has been doing ok so far).

If Hillary were elected I'd hope for her to have done something about bathrooms and started world war 3 for no reason like she promised.

His promise to the electorate was that Mexico would pay for the wall. Is it ok that he lied to them?

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03-21-2017 , 02:49 PM

#32819

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Building a wall (at least in its current form) is quite obviously bad. The only possible good is speculation on how it would curtail illegal immigration. I believe Texas Republicans were quoted as saying a physical wall was the most expensive and least efficient way to conduct border security.

HILLARY THE HAWK tho.

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03-21-2017 , 02:52 PM

#32820

Noze

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Its not obviosuly bad lolllllll

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03-21-2017 , 02:53 PM

#32821

diskoteque

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Originally Posted by mullen

I'm by no means an expert but based on what I read, manmade structures have generally been pretty successful across the globe. I'd be interested to read whatever those Texans had to say about it and it's certainly possible there's something about the landscape that would make Texas a different case or whatever.

Also Hillary wanted a wall too but wasn't able to get it done. I don't know the specifics/economics on that wall or fence or whatever though and how it compares to trumps.

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03-21-2017 , 02:55 PM

#32822

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I think we can all agree it's good Trump is enforcing laws on the books. Illegal immigration already taking a big hit since he took office.

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03-21-2017 , 02:57 PM

#32823

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Originally Posted by diskoteque

Examples of successful walls?

Examples of successful walls on borders even somewhat as large as the US/Mexico border?

Citation of "Hillary wanted a wall too?"

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03-21-2017 , 02:59 PM

#32824

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Originally Posted by Wooders0n

Examples of successful walls?

Examples of successful walls on borders even somewhat as large as the US/Mexico border?

Citation of "Hillary wanted a wall too?"

I'm on phone (as always) but it's all stuff I found easily by googling. If you can't find it I'll post when I get home I guess but it should all be stuff easy to find

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03-21-2017 , 03:04 PM

#32825

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Originally Posted by pwnsall

I think we can all agree it's good Trump is enforcing laws on the books. Illegal immigration already taking a big hit since he took office.

Illegal immigrant population has been taking an overall big hit for a decade. There was a slight bump last year but overall it's been decreasing besides that.

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Originally Posted by diskoteque

Projected cost of the fence was way less, smaller in size and still hit way too many roadblocks to get done as written. Texas border land is a ton of rivers, Big Bend national park and private landowners. Invoking eminent domain to seize all that land is a legal nightmare and physical construction of the wall is impossible in many places. In 2017 it just seems like a poor option compared to alternatives.

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