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03-17-2017 , 10:15 PM
A glance at the program's*2015 financial statement*shows the program brought in just over $7.5 million in funding that year, mainly from corporate and foundation grants making up $5.15 million.

Government grants made up just $248,347 of the funding – or 3.3 percent of total funds.



Oh noes think of the 20 olds who won't get meals delivered to them this year. All is lost
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03-17-2017 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
I was actually asking. I have no clue and have never ever heard of that program. Seems reasonable to have volunteer money pay for it rather than taxes though.
Like, why do you think Meals on Wheels was created in the first place?
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03-17-2017 , 10:21 PM
CNN)Meals on Wheels received 50 times the typical amount of daily donations on Thursday after the White House proposed cuts to some of the program's sources of funding, a spokesperson for the group said.

Volunteer sign-ups also jumped, increasing by 500%, according to Jenny Bertolette, a spokeswoman for Meals on Wheels America.
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03-17-2017 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Like, why do you think Meals on Wheels was created in the first place?
I literally had never even heard the phrase before prior to yesterday and still don't know what they do. Seems more like a bunch of scattered local organizations rather than like one organization based on googling. Still not clear on their mission though.
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03-17-2017 , 10:27 PM
Because you can't buy that kind of publicity and outrage

Acting like it won't get diminishing returns every time you threaten to kill it, well, I know you're not doing that so I'll pretend like you're not doing anything at all




Also, look, the stated reason for killing it, and this is direct quote, not me paraphrasing like I do when I make people sound stupid because I'm pissed at them, is IT JUST DOESN'T GET RESULTS

Seems like it gets results better than anything the government funds, and with less waste, since the result desired is literally that elderly and disabled get warm human interaction, and food

It's dumb to pretend like there isn't a cost to all of us if they don't get that

I don't think you understand who gets the meals if you're just going to call them OLDS and leave it at that
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03-17-2017 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
I literally had never even heard the phrase before prior to yesterday and still don't know what they do. .
To the surprise of literally no one

Glad youh have strong opinions tho
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03-17-2017 , 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
Because you can't buy that kind of publicity and outrage

Acting like it won't get diminishing returns every time you threaten to kill it, well, I know you're not doing that so I'll pretend like you're not doing anything at all




Also, look, the stated reason for killing it, and this is direct quote, not me paraphrasing like I do when I make people sound stupid because I'm pissed at them, is IT JUST DOESN'T GET RESULTS

Seems like it gets results better than anything the government funds, and with less waste, since the result desired is literally that elderly and disabled get warm human interaction, and food

It's dumb to pretend like there isn't a cost to all of us if they don't get that

I don't think you understand who gets the meals if you're just going to call them OLDS and leave it at that
According to an article I just read, federal funding makes up 3% of their budget so it doesn't seem like they're "killing it"? That's why I was legitimately ****ing asking as I admitted I had no clue. Do you dispute it? Is the article wrong? It seems like a rather tiny and insignificant program either way. Makes no sense to cut 250k funding as that makes no difference whatsoever.


Makes even less sense to be up in arms over it.
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03-17-2017 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
Because you can't buy that kind of publicity and outrage

Acting like it won't get diminishing returns every time you threaten to kill it, well, I know you're not doing that so I'll pretend like you're not doing anything at all
From CNN

About 3% of the budget for Meals on Wheels' national office comes from government grants (84%*comes from individual contributions and grants from corporations and foundations), but the national association provides support and representation for a larger network of 5,000 independently operated local groups, Bertolette said.
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03-17-2017 , 10:37 PM
The point isn't that this cripples charity for the poor, it is that there appears to be no conceivable purpose for this obviously-irrelevant-to-the-government cut except malice about completely unobjectionable charity.
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03-17-2017 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
The point isn't that this cripples charity for the poor, it is that there appears to be no conceivable purpose for this obviously-irrelevant-to-the-government cut except malice about completely unobjectionable charity.
Fair enough but that point can be made without spreading fake news about the DEATH OF MASSIVELY IMPORTANT AND HUGE PROGRAM MEALS ON WHEELS.

The 54 billion dollar defense spending increase is about 1000000x more important than this.
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03-17-2017 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
Fair enough but that point can be made without spreading fake news about the DEATH OF MASSIVELY IMPORTANT AND HUGE PROGRAM MEALS ON WHEELS.

The 54 billion dollar defense spending increase is about 1000000x more important than this.
Agreed, but you're projecting about the fake news
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03-17-2017 , 11:03 PM
How much is TRUMP just getting bored and saying some stuff
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03-17-2017 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
The point isn't that this cripples charity for the poor, it is that there appears to be no conceivable purpose for this obviously-irrelevant-to-the-government cut except malice about completely unobjectionable charity.
shouldn't have been funded by the government to begin with. cut - good. cut to spend money on military - bad. the people thinking every person over 80 is going to die - stupid.
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03-17-2017 , 11:24 PM
Technically they are and every person under 80 is going to die too.
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03-17-2017 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bluef0x
shouldn't have been funded by the government to begin with. cut - good. cut to spend money on military - bad. the people thinking every person over 80 is going to die - stupid.
cool
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03-17-2017 , 11:40 PM
It's also obviously a good opportunity to point out that Trump and his goons are legitimately real jerks.
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03-18-2017 , 12:41 AM
Have concerns that Meals on wheels outrage is actually hurting by reducing the chances other, larger cuts get reduced.
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03-18-2017 , 12:57 AM
I mean . . .

. . . I sort of have faith that as the corpses of tens of thousands of starved Americans who were denied medical care that would've saved their lives begin flooding the nation's streets while our military invests ~ $500B in bombing Yemen and North Korea and our state department invests ~ $100B in building a wall to keep out Mexicans who don't want to be here in the first place and our air thickens to the consistency of leftover sauna sweat and our schools are shuttered to allow for the opening of DeVos Education Institutes that provide god's word to the young who so desperately need it, that somewhere in america at least one Trump voter will emerge from his or her primordial worthlessness and recognize, for a fleeting moment, that maybe this isn't quite right.

But I don't actually believe it.
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03-18-2017 , 01:00 AM
Which is my way of saying I don't think it matters if larger cuts getting reduced is imperiled by the Meals on Wheels thing, because this here is a shuttle to the molten core of hell and ain't no anti-humanist cut ever getting reduced by these mother****ers until such time as it hurts specifically them, not as a group, but precisely individually.
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03-18-2017 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
I mean . . .

. . . I sort of have faith that as the corpses of tens of thousands of starved Americans who were denied medical care that would've saved their lives begin flooding the nation's streets while our military invests ~ $500B in bombing Yemen and North Korea and our state department invests ~ $100B in building a wall to keep out Mexicans who don't want to be here in the first place and our air thickens to the consistency of leftover sauna sweat and our schools are shuttered to allow for the opening of DeVos Education Institutes that provide god's word to the young who so desperately need it, that somewhere in america at least one Trump voter will emerge from his or her primordial worthlessness and recognize, for a fleeting moment, that maybe this isn't quite right.

But I don't actually believe it.
r/trumpgret
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03-18-2017 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
Which is my way of saying I don't think it matters if larger cuts getting reduced is imperiled by the Meals on Wheels thing, because this here is a shuttle to the molten core of hell and ain't no anti-humanist cut ever getting reduced by these mother****ers until such time as it hurts specifically them, not as a group, but precisely individually.
I believe history has proven this point over and over. Though people did jump on the obvious muslim ban. That was different, but you're right in that most people don't care about anything until after they've noticed it hurts them. Then it's usually too late.

There's more people proactive and fighting it than I thought there would be. I just don't believe it's enough and I hope I'm wrong.
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03-18-2017 , 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty
Have concerns that Meals on wheels outrage is actually hurting by reducing the chances other, larger cuts get reduced.
Meals on Wheels outrage is hurting the chances other larger cuts happen at all
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03-18-2017 , 03:10 AM


what a ****ing moron
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03-18-2017 , 03:12 AM
Anarchocapitalism is more of a spectrum disorder than a serious economic philosophy. That's an IRL observation having spent a decade+ around academic econ types where ACists are overrepresented. I have a few very good friends that are deep into the AC. In isolation, we can have interesting discussions for hours, and I can mostly look past the crazy stuff or steer the convo away from it.

However, one thing I learned was to stop trying to integrate them into my other social cliques, because they would just inevitably weird everyone else the **** out, damaging my cachet. I can't exactly put my finger on it, but they all give off a negative vibe to normies. Could be the intense blank stare, general unkemptness, pulling a half-eaten ham sandwich out of a jacket pocket, etc. I'm not mean enough to unfriend them, so I make the time. But sometimes I feel like Charlie Babbit in a strange way.

That's nothing to say of their economic philosophy, which is profoundly simplistic (and wrong). Getting an ACist to incorporate empirical reality into their worldview is futile and I've stopped trying; they're Flatlanders living in Spaceland. Don't get me wrong, they usually start off unobjectionably with premises like utility functions. But the next thing you know, they're abolishing the national highway system so the market can deliver SanDisk Corporation teleportation devices--or something.
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03-18-2017 , 03:40 AM
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what a ****ing moron
lol at avoiding eyecontact. He really is just a troubled 7 year-old mentally.
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