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03-28-2017 , 05:47 PM
Source in WV told me a few weeks ago that the coal jobs are already starting to reappear (!!!). Of course, he's also an aspartame truther that thinks Hillary is a lizard fwiw.
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03-28-2017 , 06:13 PM
are they CLEAN COAL jobs?
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03-28-2017 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SirOsis
Is there something out there worth reading that could help me understand Trump's hard-on for coal?
The proles think coal has been effectively shut down by environmentalists for no reason while China has used coal to fuel their growth and take US jobs and we pay more for muslim oil that funds terrorism which was Obama's real plan.
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03-28-2017 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SirOsis
Is there something out there worth reading that could help me understand Trump's hard-on for coal?

doubt it. trump has the analytic mind of a dung beetle. he's all instinct. after years of lying his mind has rewired itself to become a superliar. he lies like a dung beetle flies.


is there mechanism to get obviously corrupt Nunes to step down from the committee that is investigating trump/russia corruption besides a lot of people saying "HEY YOU SHOULD STEP DOWN" ?
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03-28-2017 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SirOsis
Is there something out there worth reading that could help me understand Trump's hard-on for coal?
Osis, it's about optics. A bunch of poor coal workers don't have jobs. If the mines are open for MOAR BUSINESS, then those people will have MOAR JOBS. Then news stories will say Trump is bringing employment back to coal workers, and therefore he's CREATING JOBS. Video of dirty dudes mining coal like orcs in Mordor will air on Fox and that will be great for Trump.

Restoring one of the dirtiest and most dangerous businesses ever is also a natural desire for anyone who wants to dismantle the administrative / regulatory state for the benefit of the oligarchic wealthy of the United States.

The purported theory is that environmental regulation has caused the reduction of jobs in that industry. That is partially, to a small degree, sort of true. That's as positively as one can fairly describe the veracity of the contention.

The conclusion these idiots draw from that contention, though, is that if they simply rescind those environmental regulations, the coal industry will be booming and jobs will be available. That is, according to virtually all experts, including one notable coal CEO who told Trump to "temper his expectations," not true. The jobs aren't coming back, for the following two reasons.

To a large degree, what has killed that industry is the fact that coal lost the cost battle to natural gas, and that problem was exacerbated by fracking. Now coal is relatively expensive and dirty and inefficient compared to natural gas, which is cheap, efficient, and relatively easy to produce, so demand for coal is lower. No one really wants it as much as other resources - the coal era is simply over as a matter of economics and technology.

And to a similar degree, the other thing that has killed that industry from a JOBS perspective is automation of most of the mining. That's got nothing to do with environmental regulation and everything to do with the fact that dudes working mines is inefficient and exceptionally dangerous, before you factor in respiratory illness and deaths that are basically the birthright of every coal worker ever. Bigass machines dig holes and hack at coal and carry heavy-ass loads of coal better than puny humans do. And they cost way, way less. And you don't need to insure their health. And they don't unionize. This is not hard.

So anyway, Trump's coal fascination is about the optics of putting these guys back to work. It is in no way rationally tethered to the creation of jobs or to energy independence in America. Those are just talking points. It will create very few jobs, have middling impact on energy independence (like, virtually no impact other than tiny, tiny decimals on a spreadsheet deep in some pivot table quantifying energy demand), and, of course, be terrible for the environment for no gain other than stock footage of PEOPLE AT WORK.

And there you have your easy-to-read explanation of Trump's hard-on for coal.
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03-28-2017 , 07:55 PM
Strip mining. They dig those big holes from the surface rather than digging shafts deep underground that have historically turned into death traps either due to entrapment or occupational disease.

I grew up in the anthracite coal region of Pennsylvania. My father and grandfathers worked in the industry. All had black lung. That industry began its death spiral in the 70s and died a somewhat slow death thereafter.

They have relatively recently developed a process where they are now able to burn the scrap rock that had been a bi product of anthracite mining. There were huge mountains of this black scrap all over a six county area in Pennsylvania that had built up over decades. A huge eye sore. It was once useless. They have built huge plants where they burn the scrap rock and turn it into energy. Problem is the ash that is produced in the process is toxic as ****. What are they doing with it you ask? Backfilling the huge holes created by the strip mining they are doing and polluting ground water systems all over the area in the process. Good times!
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03-28-2017 , 08:31 PM
Still fervently searching for even 1 person who thinks it's a good idea for ISPs to be able to sell their personal browsing data. I'll get that unicorn one day. And then I'll **** the **** out of it.
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03-28-2017 , 08:49 PM
I'm really sick of the argument that it's not fair to ISPs since google and FB can do the same thing. That is not the same as seeing my full browsing history. Although full search history is pretty close. But google lets you opt out of that somewhat.

What's to stop Cambridge Analytica from buying that and letting Bannon use as a weapon against his political enemies?
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03-28-2017 , 09:08 PM
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is there mechanism to get obviously corrupt Nunes to step down from the committee that is investigating trump/russia corruption besides a lot of people saying "HEY YOU SHOULD STEP DOWN" ?
Ryan can remove him.
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03-28-2017 , 11:30 PM
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I'm really sick of the argument that it's not fair to ISPs since google and FB can do the same thing. That is not the same as seeing my full browsing history. Although full search history is pretty close. But google lets you opt out of that somewhat.

What's to stop Cambridge Analytica from buying that and letting Bannon use as a weapon against his political enemies?
I think you're underestimating how much facebook knows. Even if you aren't clicking on facebook.com you're visiting sites that are infested with their trackers.
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03-29-2017 , 12:41 AM
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Still fervently searching for even 1 person who thinks it's a good idea for ISPs to be able to sell their personal browsing data. I'll get that unicorn one day. And then I'll **** the **** out of it.
I'll give you one--Donald trump.
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03-29-2017 , 04:22 AM
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Still fervently searching for even 1 person who thinks it's a good idea for ISPs to be able to sell their personal browsing data. I'll get that unicorn one day. And then I'll **** the **** out of it.
This, I think, will have quite brutal implications not far down the road.
The Safe Harbor initiative was effectively shut down over fears that EU citizens' data was being spied on by the US.

In its place we now have the Privacy Shield. And big data companies need this sort of regulatory structure in order to seamlessly deal with personal data irrespective of data subject origin.
But with this new repeal I am fairly certain that the Privacy Shield framework is doomed which will handicap pretty much any internet company relying on personal data in their business model (and this is not just Google, but also on a much smaller scale).

But to put it short, Comcast pays hundreds of millions in lobbying dollars every single year and they are now getting a return on that investment to the detriment of pretty much everyone else.

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I think you're underestimating how much facebook knows. Even if you aren't clicking on facebook.com you're visiting sites that are infested with their trackers.
This is not incorrect, but even with pixel cookies and other random tracking methods there is a world of difference between that and access to your entire browsing history. Especially given what options ISPs have to inject data or put redirections in place, etc.
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03-29-2017 , 04:37 AM
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I think you're underestimating how much facebook knows. Even if you aren't clicking on facebook.com you're visiting sites that are infested with their trackers.
Yeah I'm aware by the ads FB is now targeting at me - like Hasselblad cameras at roughly 3x what I paid for my camera. It obviously must know. Also whenever I almost buy something on Amazon but back out - it immediately appears on FB the next day and runs for weeks.
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03-29-2017 , 09:29 AM
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I'll give you one--Donald trump.
Sorry I meant real people not republicans should have been clearer

But I don't even know any repubs who like this beyond those paid off by Comcast or whoever
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03-29-2017 , 12:44 PM
We might have Trump but at least we aren't Brexiting. LOL ENGLAND
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03-29-2017 , 12:52 PM
Oh man, the idiots that filmed and edited those BS Planned Parenthood undercover videos are being charged with 15 felonies. Excellent.
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03-29-2017 , 12:58 PM
happy freedom to all our UK friends who post here

enjoy getting your sovereignty back!
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03-29-2017 , 07:03 PM
Jesus christ. . .

March 2, 2016:

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Concrete Trump concerns:

Trump will mangle the federal deficit in greater-than-W terms and every analysis I can find of his "tax plans" - it's insulting to call it a plan by the way - forecasts trillions of dollars in deficit. This is pretty bad, because they don't even factor in his apparent desire to expand deficit spending. I ranted about this weeks ago, but Trump appears to be a LOCK to expand spending while reducing revenue. This is insane because he doesn't even pretend to avoid this conclusion. New comprehensive health care reform! Military expansion! Walls! Deportation of millions of people! Greater tariffs on China so everything we buy costs more! Lower taxes too tho, yo. That is a disaster.

Trump is the avatar of the United States of America to the rest of the world, developed and otherwise. To the extent that our international standing in the rest of the world matters to our quality of life, and it does, and matters to our role as a hegemony, and it does, and matters with regard to our ability to effectuate positive international trade developments, and it does, President Trump is a crippling embarrassment on the global stage. It is impossible to think of a country that foists Trump onto other countries as a country worthy of respect, and I not only reject as ****ing laughable the idea that Trump can negotiate GOOD INTERNATIONAL DEALS, but I regard anyone who predicts that he CAN do so as someone who HAS to be lying. You do not respect Donald Trump. No one RESPECTS Donald Trump. He's a reality-tv buffoon with a 30-year-old fake haircut and a daughter he sexually fetishizes. Come the **** on.
Consider: The Offender of the Free World

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Trump has repeatedly promised to re-institute Abu Ghraib style punishment of "terrorists," to deport 12,000,000 Muslims, and to build a wall separating the United States from Mexico (a trade partner and sometimes partner in the only part of the drug war that even makes sense). He has abandoned dog whistling in favor of outright embracing white supremacy in all but technical statement. This means President Trump is a man who embraces war crimes - actual war crimes - and racism and who was elected on the basis of the appeal of war crimes and racism to a large part of the American electorate. That is not a country I recognize. That is a supremacist revolt that I want no part of. That is a stain on the American flag and should make you furious and scared. In short, this is not the makings of a positive democratic revolution. It is the makings of the scariest things that have ever happened in human history.
Consider:  Under Trump, the United States May Now Be Killing More Civilians Than Russia

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President Trump does not appear to possess any understanding of international policy or international issues worthy of comment. This is troubling given that he will at some point be forced to make decisions about the utilization of the American military in, for example, the Middle East. In no way am I endorsing Hillary's talents in that regard, we just don't have good choices to elect, but jesus man, Donald Trump sending in Seal Team 6 strikes you as a likely-reasonable decision-making process?
Consider: Trump on generals in Yemen raid: They 'lost' Navy SEAL (in which Trump approves a Navy Seal raid in Yemen - why? - over dinner)

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President Trump is a petty, reactionary bully. He IS going to agitate and stoke international relations snafus both because it's ****ing ludicrous that he would even set foot in, for example, a UN meeting, and because his response to any slights against America is going to be insult and idiocy. Imagine Trump taking a meeting with some relatively benign country, like Spain. Pretend Spain tells him that some fee their wineries have to pay in America is unfair, or something. Iterate that kind of tiny disagreement thousands of times. How many of them escalate for no ****ing reason? 5%? 2%? When does this start to matter to you?
Consider: it's literally 100% of them. "‘This was the worst call by far’: Trump badgered, bragged and abruptly ended phone call with Australian leader". And "Donald Trump 'printed out fake £300bn Nato invoice and handed it to Angela Merkel'".

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President Trump is going to be literally incapable of generating cooperation from Congress. This is also true of ANY candidate, apparently, but it seems even worse for him.
Consider: lol.

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I'm gonna stop here, but there are way more. There's just no rational means by which an intelligent person can persuade him or herself that Donald Trump is likely to be even a tolerable President. He has no upside equity. He has only disaster equity + "thank god the damage is manageable" massive deficit equity. The GOOD result is post-W with a side of we're the world's imbeciles EVEN MORE THAN WE WERE DURING W. Why do you want that?
Literally all of the above already happened and was predictable. This is not a victory lap. This is ****ing depression, apathy, hopelessness. Our lives have been altered by this. We're harmed by this. The rest of the world is harmed by this. This is supreme irresponsibility on the global scale, on purpose, by stupid people.
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03-29-2017 , 07:07 PM
Some young liberal frat douche is about to win ultra conservative house seat in georgia bro. Trump winning will end up being a GOOD thing.
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03-29-2017 , 07:29 PM
Yeah we talked that in poli forum. He had a ton of financial backing.
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03-29-2017 , 07:29 PM
Jesus Hoya you aren't special for predicting that he would be a disaster.
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03-29-2017 , 07:37 PM
All of that is irrelevant. All that matters is that my coal job is coming back any day now.
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03-29-2017 , 07:37 PM
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Some young liberal frat douche is about to win ultra conservative house seat in georgia bro. Trump winning will end up being a GOOD thing.
trading a congressional seat for Trump being president is a good thing? Belicheck is on the phone, he wants to offer you a 6th and a 7th for your 2nd rounder and a 3rd next year

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03-29-2017 , 07:44 PM
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trading a congressional seat for Trump being president is a good thing? Belicheck is on the phone, he wants to offer you a 6th and a 7th for your 2nd rounder
In literally the first seat available there's a massive and unprecedented shift to the left. There will be more.
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03-29-2017 , 07:52 PM
if there's more, that's great; I don't share your optimism
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