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Old 11-19-2009, 08:47 PM   #121
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That's the thing, I don't think he can make the same amount of money from two inferior fights. He made $25 mil for the De La Hoya fight...that's a good starting point for discussing hypothetical Pac-PBF numbers. The PPV shares will be massive.

And which two inferior fighters could make him, let's say, $12-15 mil per fight? That's Margarito/Cotto/Mosley territory, and all of those guys are just as much of a threat to his undefeated record. Those are all extremely dangerous fights.

He'll fight Pacquiao because he has no other option left.
I could be wrong but didn't mayweather get paid 10 mil and hoya 25? or did he get a percentage of ppv buys too?
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Old 11-19-2009, 09:02 PM   #122
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I could be wrong but didn't mayweather get paid 10 mil and hoya 25? or did he get a percentage of ppv buys too?
After PPV shares, DLH got close to $60 million. Mayweather got $25 mil.
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Old 11-19-2009, 09:14 PM   #123
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How do the referees score this kind of thing? Would it be in Floyd's favour because he is successfully neutralising all of DLH's efforts or would it be in DLH's favour because he is at least throwing punches and trying to be active even if he isn't doing any damage(say for arguments sake that PBF doesn't throw any punches all round or throws very few)?

Overview of professional scoring:

The scoring is based on a 10 pt Must system, which one boxer must receive 10 pts per round, and the other 9 or less.

Each knock down is a 1 pt deduction.

After that it is broken down into criteria which help the judges decide who is effectively winning, as different fighters have different styles, so it allows, or tries to in considering that.

The 4 areas/criteria for dominating are,

Clean Punching:

A clean punch is one that lands on the scoring area, in face or side of head, front and side of torso with the knuckle portion of the glove. This is often given more weight then other scoring criteria, as it is the effective goal, to hit the other person efficiently. More often.

Effective Aggression:


This is when a fighter demonstrates the ability to create opportunities moving forward and as a result is landing more clean punches. The more aggressive the fighter the more likely this is measured, if even say they were actually really close in scoring. So aggression has it's merits.

Ring Generalship:

This is when a person demonstrates the ability to control the pace of a fight based on whatever their style may be. An aggressive fighter luring his opponent into slugout matches in order to score pts. A defensive opponent maybe trapping a brawler with set ups, counters, controlling distance, various things.

Attention really needs to be paid to the differing styles of fighters when considering ring generalship.

Defence:

Defence is an important aspect of boxing, and has it's own scoring criteria although it is often sadly overlooked. It takes great skill defensively to be effective for pure boxers, over say brawlers, and is far more impressive when considering a total skill set.

Blocking, slipping, parrying, bobbing,weaving, the footwork involved are all things boxers work hard to master, and a great thing to watch for a trained eye as part of an effective defence.


So for each judge when deciding who has won the round and to be awarded the 10 pts, these are the 4 criteria used.

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Old 11-20-2009, 12:14 AM   #124
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I score by asking myself who would I rather be in that round if my goal was to feel as little pain as possible.
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Old 11-20-2009, 12:55 AM   #125
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the article linked above claimed some puerto rican source said 2 million PPVs for pac-cotto.

Insane.

If that's true, pacquiao deserves a good chunk over 50/50. 60/40 pac imo. I doubt floyd would agree to that, althought i migh be wrong.
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Old 11-20-2009, 12:59 AM   #126
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Old 11-20-2009, 02:49 AM   #127
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Yeah, it's the same story with many lottery winners.
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Old 11-20-2009, 11:00 AM   #128
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the article linked above claimed some puerto rican source said 2 million PPVs for pac-cotto.

Insane.

If that's true, pacquiao deserves a good chunk over 50/50. 60/40 pac imo. I doubt floyd would agree to that, althought i migh be wrong.
but you know, what if a lot of the buys came from Puerto Ricans?
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Old 11-20-2009, 12:08 PM   #129
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but you know, what if a lot of the buys came from Puerto Ricans?

I am sure a lot of them did.


Mayweather should not accept less money than Manny.
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Old 11-20-2009, 12:58 PM   #130
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Casual boxing fan here, but I'd be psyched to see this fight and would consider pooling with friends for PPV.

As of right now I'd be rooting for Pac, but I've rooted against Mayweather before and he ended up changing my mind partway through the fight.

I was in Chiang Mai, Thailand during the Hatton/Mayweather fight. I vaguely knew it was coming up from reading something on the internet, and then over breakfast in a British pub-style place I saw on the TV that it was going to be broadcast later that morning. I returned to the pub a few hours later to find it swarmed with Brits. I was rooting for Hatton anyway so I figured it was going to be great.

Then the crowd (on TV, not at the bar) booed during the national anthem, which I felt was pretty ****ing weak. Still, it wasn't quite enough to turn me against Hatton. I liked his reputation for being aggressive and scrappy. And the Brits in the pub seemed like good guys. Finally, the fight started. I could tell immediately that Hatton was outclassed. Mayweather was masterful. The crowd (again, on TV) kept on booing and acting retarded. Suddenly I was like, "You know what? **** Hatton and his British army of fans. I hope Mayweather does beat his ass." And, of course, he did.

I can't stand Mayweather's personality, but his performance in the ring was just unbelievable. Combined with some seriously retarded Hatton fans, it was enough to make me a Mayweather fan for the day.

So, I like Pacquiao on paper, but I can't say I would be disappointed (or entirely surprised) if Floyd tore him up on fight night.
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Old 11-20-2009, 02:12 PM   #131
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I am sure a lot of them did.


Mayweather should not accept less money than Manny.
Indeed. Cotto's popularity amongst boxing fans is extremely underrated.

This fight should be and will be 50/50 split ainec. Mayweather or Pacquiao camps saying otherwise is just annoying posturing for negotation purposes.
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Old 11-20-2009, 03:52 PM   #132
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This just in.. Apparently pacman has replied to mayweather today and said YES to a fight.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...CategoryId=200

Speaking to KTLA News, Pacquiao issued a resounding statement that would possibly kick-off negotiations for what would probably be the biggest and richest fight in boxing history.

"Yes, I want to fight Mayweather," Pacquiao told KTLA.
omg omg omg omg omg omg

Anyway, another (very, very) causal boxing fan here. Could someone enlighten me about how much of the PPV money is going to wind up with the PBF and Pac total at the end of this?

Say there are three million buys at $50 each, so that's $150 million total. How much of that goes to stuff other than the boxers, i.e. promotion, agents, location, etc.? If it's a 50/50 split, then do they get almost $75 million apiece, or will it be like $70 million or $60 million apiece?

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Old 11-20-2009, 05:08 PM   #133
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they get a percent.
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Old 11-20-2009, 05:12 PM   #134
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i think ppv is just Americans, no? believe they sell showing rights to overseas companies. in the Philippines, for example, companies sponsor the fight and its shown on public tv.
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Old 11-20-2009, 07:20 PM   #135
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i think ppv is just Americans, no? believe they sell showing rights to overseas companies. in the Philippines, for example, companies sponsor the fight and its shown on public tv.
Here on Sky it will be £15 PPV on Sky Box Office. The cotto/pac fight was on skysports but this will defo be on box office.

Just a quick line on ladbrokes, you can bet on the fight now and if the fight takes place before start of 2011 then your bet is valid.

The odds are:

Mayweather 4/7 Draw 25/1 Pac 5/4
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