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PokerRon247 · 11-18-2009, 11:14 AM

This fight will be insanely epic, and should happen for the sheer scale of it and the sake of the sport as a whole... but does Mayweather care about that?

If he truly cared about going down as one of the greats, he has to take this fight on. Until he makes this fight, while no-one can question his abilities as a great boxer, he's not been truly tested at the level of a fight of this magnitude. While he may bang on about his 100% record, anyone with any knowledge of the sport will always have him down as a "dodger". The thing is, Mayweather knows this perfectly well... but if he could make the same amount of money by fighting 2 inferior opponents and protect his 100% record at the same time, I think he would be quite likely to make some excuse about "financial disagreements" and duck this fight too.

I seriously hope I'm proven wrong.

On another note, if it did happen, it'd be fairly likely to take place in May/June next year, which corresponds to my 2 week trip over the pond to Vegas. I will go on complete flying-monkey-life-tilt if the fight happens during my trip, but they decide to stage it in NY/Texas/elsewhere.

Does anybody know approximately how much tickets for a big fight in the MGM are?

Geddy Lee · 11-18-2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by PokerRon247

but if he could make the same amount of money by fighting 2 inferior opponents and protect his 100% record at the same time, I think he would be quite likely to make some excuse about "financial disagreements" and duck this fight too.

I seriously hope I'm proven wrong.

That's the thing, I don't think he can make the same amount of money from two inferior fights. He made $25 mil for the De La Hoya fight...that's a good starting point for discussing hypothetical Pac-PBF numbers. The PPV shares will be massive.

And which two inferior fighters could make him, let's say, $12-15 mil per fight? That's Margarito/Cotto/Mosley territory, and all of those guys are just as much of a threat to his undefeated record. Those are all extremely dangerous fights.

He'll fight Pacquiao because he has no other option left.

PokerRon247 · 11-18-2009, 11:44 AM

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And which two inferior fighters could make him, let's say, $12-15 mil per fight? That's Margarito/Cotto/Mosley territory, and all of those guys are just as much of a threat to his undefeated record. Those are all extremely dangerous fights.

That's a good point, but I don't think they're as much of a threat as Pac is. Cotto obviously can't be considered in that league after his destruction last weekend, and I'd say the others are of a similar standard.

I guess this is going to come down to what is more important to Floyd... protecting his 100% or the mega-money with the risk/reward of being one of the all-time greats/losing that 0 and the shame that'll come with it (not that losing to Pac should be something to be ashamed of, but for somebody of Mayweather's personality, it will be an unbearable situation).

ProfessorPain · 11-18-2009, 11:51 AM

The money is too much to pass up. Also, the inevitable rematch regardless of who wins. As how can he be broke, when you travel with huge entourages and spend money for yourself and 50 other people, its not hard.

Geddy Lee · 11-18-2009, 11:58 AM

Yea, I mean obv Pac > Cotto/Margarito/Mosley in terms of danger, but it's the only fight left for Mayweather that has unprecedented earning potential. That's what Mayweather came back for.

In some respects, I think this is his legacy...he isn't the GOAT after a win vs. Pacquiao and he's not even arguably the greatest of this era, but he will get the distinction of fighting in the most lucrative bout in the history of boxing. He'll lay claim to the title of boxing's biggest draw ever.

aminusr · 11-18-2009, 12:51 PM

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He'll fight Pacquiao because he has no other option left.

If Mayweather doesn't fight Pacquiao, I'll more than likely never watch another one of his fights.

Geddy Lee · 11-18-2009, 12:54 PM

^^^ +1

Bodog just released their lines for the fight:

Mayweather -155
Pacquiao +125

I have no intention of turning this thread into betting discussion, but since we've already discussed what we think the early lines might be itt, I figured this was worth posting.

Cornbread Earl · 11-18-2009, 03:29 PM

This fight will happen, there are no and, ifs or buts about it. I predict the fight will happen no later than the summer.

We will see the assassin in Floyd come out as Manny forces him to fight for 3 minutes each round.

The only fight I can think of in my lifetime that may be bigger is Ali vs Frazier I.

The money that they make from this fight is going to be historic. I think they get anywhere from $25 - $50 million apiece.

Regardless of the outcome of the 1st fight, we will get an immediate rematch and if the stars align a trilogy.

I see 2 fights for sure and possibly 3 for otherworldly amounts of $

I respect Pac Man's skills and accomplishments very much but, my heart says Mayweather wins the 1st fight.

Mayweather beats Manny 2, possibly 3 times, pockets $100 million + and rides off into the sunset.

DannyOcean_ · 11-18-2009, 03:43 PM

Are people really wondering how Floyd can be broke? There are hundreds of NBA/MLB/NFL athletes who live paycheck to paycheck. They save nothing, spend millions on cars, homes, jewelry, etc. They have multiple baby mamas who drain their income. They have posses who sap their money like crazy. They tend to invest in stupid entrepreneurial ventures their friends want to do. There are a TON of athletes who are either living paycheck to paycheck or who go broke less than 2-3 years after retirement.

antidan444 · 11-18-2009, 03:46 PM

Yeah, it's the same story with many lottery winners.

Cornbread Earl · 11-18-2009, 03:48 PM

I wish "Sweet Pea" was in his prime today. I miss watching his mastery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjTHLPmfBCQ&feature=fvw

DannyOcean_ · 11-18-2009, 03:56 PM

The strategic battle in this fight is definitely what happens when Pacman flurries against Mayweather. Will he force Mayweather to open up and play a stand and trade game? Mayweather's never seen an offensive dynamo with the sheer volume of punches that Manny throws. He simply throws so many punches from so many conventional and unconventional angles that it's hard for anyone not to be overwhelmed.

On the other hand, Manny has never fought anyone with the defensive ability of Floyd. He's so good at the shoulder roll defense and presents such a small target. His counter-punching is incredible.

So what happens? It could play out in a number of ways.

Manny comes forward and unleashes the fury, but Mayweather is able to defend nearly everything. He rarely gets hit and starts counterpunching almost immediately. As the fight wears on, he gets more and more accurate with his counterpunching and manny gets more and more frustrated. Several things could happen here. Floyd could ride his defense to a decision, with Manny not really hurt but very ineffective throughout the fight. Floyd could do well for 4-5 rounds but be suddenly dropped by a Manny flurry, which is a possibility at any time when you are fighting Pac. Or, Floyd's counterpunching could start to take a toll over the course of the fight and he could actually KO Manny.

Manny comes forward and unleashes the fury. Mayweather's defense is good, but he gets hit cleanly a few times. His counterpunching is ok, but not really affecting Manny. Floyd is forced to start trading openly with Manny after a couple rounds of ineffective counterpunching. If that happens, would Floyd be Manny's offensive equal? Would he hit him hard and cleanly? Or would Manny dominate in a slug-it-out fight, that is much more suited to his game?

erroneous · 11-18-2009, 03:57 PM

I consider myself only a casual boxing fan, but I can't see why a lot people are guaranteeing there will be 2, if not 3 fights between these two?

Both stand to make a TON of money just for one fight. It seems that Mayweather only cares about money. In his interview, he states that he feels that he has nothing to prove by fighting Pac-man. PBF saying if he beats/KO's Pac-man, people will say it's allready been done. Obviously he's somewhat putting on a show, but what would he have to prove in a rematch if he beats Pac-man the first time around?

Basically I'm asking is the payday enough to convince PBF to do a rematch if he does beat Pac-man? He really would have everything to lose if that's the case. We know how much he cares about that 0 in the loss column.

antidan444 · 11-18-2009, 04:01 PM

Here's why there'll be a rematch: PBF be broke. PBF fight Pac 1 time. PBF rolling in dough. PBF spend dough. PBF be broke. PBF fight Pac ...

$kill Game · 11-18-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by erroneous

I consider myself only a casual boxing fan, but I can't see why a lot people are guaranteeing there will be 2, if not 3 fights between these two?

Their styles/talent (handspeed, ring intuition etc) mesh really well and will prove to be a great fight. Since it'll be an exciting fight and most likely extremely competitive fight, fan interest will be high for a 2nd fight.

It's not a guarantee this will happen. But I'd say it's about 50% they fight a 2nd time if they fight once.

On a side note, I don't buy for a second that Manny will fight floyd then retire (permanently)