can see joshua getting oliver mccall'd/hasim rahman'd at some point

i would favor joshua over both by an okay bit but i don't think AJ is near skilled enough to count out either wilder or ortiz imo

i don't think he ever fights ortiz though. i do think he will prob fight wilder unless wilder gets exposed beforehand which is quite possible. i suppose i think joshua is the best hw in the world but unfortunately i don't think he is a once in a generation force or anything which i held out some hope for before this fight. we will see.

had the impresion josuah was holdem down first rounds then he recieved he stand up and fires back to thebullets, after first 3 rounds i thougt 12 rounds. but never in heavyweight and not vs a guy who has 18 fights 18 KO's.


i supported tonight vladimir, but always prefered vitali cause he is the true fighter.


sorry quite drunk after this fight

I could be wrong on this but can't you give a knockdown round as a 10-9 if the other guy is dominant the rest of the round? Think that's how i'd have scored it if so. I had Joshua winning the first 5 as well, I couldn't understand how they were giving klitschko the 4th.

wimbeldon 90k views in the stadium keep it mind for years. was a big fight! night at all

fight was close 10 rounds, technical KO decided all. was a absaolutly great fight.

you are gonna have one hell of a headache tomorrow morning son

anyone have the actual judges scorecards?

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I agree with this. He's not an Ali, Holmes, or Louis type of HW.

These days, HW boxing has so much variance due to how large and powerful HWs are now compared to the past. Primo Carnera was considered a freak show during his day at 6'6", 260 lbs. Nowadays, that's considered just a bit above average for high-level heavyweight fighters.

But with that increase in size also comes reduced stamina. We'll never see another Thrila in Manila type of war at heavyweight. If guys like AJ and Fury fight at the same pace Ali/Frazier did, they'd be gassed after 5 rounds if the fight even gets that far before one punch ends it.

It's that variance that makes careers like Wlad's so impressive. Yeah, he was boring but he stayed at the top for well over a decade in a high variance division.

AJ's career will likely mirror Lennox Lewis's career imo. He's a guy of similar size who stays the best for a long time but is prone to variance the same exact way Lennox was. No doubt AJ will get McCall'd at least once just like Lewis did. It's part of the territory in this age of heavyweight boxing. Because of that variance, he'll never dominate the way Wlad did.

I'd favor AJ against any active HW right now. IMO, Luis Ortiz has the best shot at beating AJ.
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A strange thing about this fight is that despite the loss, I really think this fight improved Klitschko's legacy and standing among the all-time greats. Coming off a 2 year layoff at 41 and putting up a good fight against the #1 HW boxer in the prime of his career is remarkable. He also showed a much better chin than people gave him credit for throughout his career.

those are crah-crah score-cards.

Klitchko won 1,2 & 4 and Joshua won 3.

The knock down rounds should both be 10-8 - but obv the one judge had round 6 as 10-9, which seems nuts given how strongly Klitchko finished round 5. ffs if he could have landed his 6th round shot then it might have been curtains for AJ.

So did AJ really win 7,8, 9 & 10 on two score-cards? He didn't throw a punch in 7 or 8.

That seems unpossible.

Where'd you find a pic of the cards chaz

tchaz, you had Wlad winning rounds 1, 2 & 4? Or did you mean some judge(s) did?

That is definitely crazy either way.

is the match tonight ?
if so what time please ?

lmao

Might be on replay for HBO now.

still a guy like Vitali punhses back hard and never gives up. heart > technique sometimes. the big difference between these "twins".

no you definitely can and apparently most people scored it that way


when i was watching i didn't see it that way but i was also many beers deep just woke up from my post fight nap

If you get knocked down but still win the round it's a 9-9 round not a 10-9 round.

oh yeah durp

i didn't see 9-9 on farhood's scorecard tho or 10-8 i must have missed it

Pretty nuts fight. Dat 5th and 6th rounds.

Wlad should hang up the gloves here. I doubt he wins a rematch, AJ is just going to get better and Wlad is just going to get older, and as far as losses go, this was a good one to walk out on.

I agree. I really don't see how Wlad does any better in a rematch than he did here.

A rematch will happen though. The money is just going to be too much to pass up.

One hell of a fight. We could be in line for a series of great heavyweight fights over the next year.

Lads,

AJ took one hell of a shot and went down but he got back up and won. That is as hard of a shot he will maybe take in his career, I mean Wlad put everything behind that. Amazing fight, 90k in attendance but boxing is dead amirite

I had Vlad in the 8th at 33/1 and was feeling very confident after 6. Best HW fight I've seen in quite a while, so not too downhearted.

btw i had a look at live betting in the 7th and wlad was bouncing around somewhere near 2/5 to 1/2 fave all the way up until the 11th

His chin is definitely better than I had expected. Then again, I was expecting a David Price type of chin.