Scottish Football/Soccer Containment Thread

[sethypooh21]

I agree with a lit of that. Really dislike the seedings.

[kingweed]

Originally Posted by fatshaft

Is it, is it really?

Everything seeded so that you get all the big clubs through to the group stages.

Groups, I mean ****ing groups in a cup, so the chance of a shock is virtually eliminated.

Doggies chances, you get kncoked out of the CL qualifiers, you go into the Europa qualifiers, you get knocked out of the groups, you go into later qualifiers in Europa, what a load of utter ****e.

Loads of meaningless one sided games where Europes behemoths field reserve squads as they've already cruised through the seeded-group-only-there-for-the-money-stages.

Same half dozen clubs in the last eight every season, with another half dozen swapping the other two places. Chances of a Nottingham Forrest or Malmo happening again? Nil perhaps?

There is absolutely nothing awesome about it, it's not football, it's finance, it's unappealing, repetitive, and boring. Great I'm sure if you're a fan of one of the clubs who repetitively get more and more TV funding, but in no way awesome, exciting, or entertaining for the nuetral viewer, like Forest were, or Aberdeen, or Malmo, or Dundee Utd.

It's not so much the SPL that's ****ed, it's football, just that the SPL are the first to show the real signs of the damage being done by SKY and UEFA, plus Bowman, which has been the most terrible thing of all for football.

I understand what your saying but the group stage are pretty boring as you can pretty much say the 2 teams that will go through from each group but that doesn't happen all the time. If the seeded team fails in the group and finishes second there is the chance of a 'big tie' like last year with Arsenal who got Barca in the first knock out stage.

I do enjoy watching the champions league every year but I would like it to be the only the champions of each country qualify as it's the champions league but that isn't ever going to happen because of the money that's involved.

The seeded thing happens in all football competitions so I don't mind that in the group stage but would like to see it scrapped for the round of 16 so that you can potentially have a couple of crackers in that round but then the argument for that would be, what's the point of topping your group?

So you could do 1st v 2nd but anyone can play anyone, that would be better imo

As for an under dog going all the way and lifting the trophy right now it's pretty slim because Barca are that good it's going to be a job to beat them, but it's always been like that. There's been a period of time where a certain league has dominated for a couple of years then it moves onto the next one. No club/league as dominated it for over a decade and the under dogs winning it happened once in a while as well.

If you look at recent years of the competition there are still a couple of shock winners there: Inter 2010, Liverpool 2005 and Porto 2004.

Although the ironic thing with those three are that they are big clubs with a history of winning it before.

[Ra_Z_Boy]

Straight knock out, champions only, every round 3 legs with a home away and neutral fixture until the final. It's decided first on games won, then if level on goal difference.

Just throwing out crazy ideas.

As for Scottish football. It's at deaths door alright. But the population makes it pretty unsustainable to have some sort of high quality league. Think of a country with a league of decent quality with roughly Scotlands population? So I have absolutely no ideas for what could be done. I am sure fatshaft has many starting with getting rid of the OF .

[Geddy Lee]

The biggest problem I always encounter with you guys over there is you have this seemingly massive reluctance to accept a very simple concept: only select markets will ever have the proper carrying capacity for professional sports. You read Fatshaft's posts and you get the feeling he honestly believes there's a way to alter the parameters in a vacuum so that we wouldn't end up where we are today. It's just not possible. There's no rocket science behind why Europe's biggest clubs are Europe's biggest clubs.

There's a reason the Qataris bought PSG, and it has nothing to do with the club's prestige. If that were the case, a club like Saint-Etienne should've been just as appealing. But it's not. Why? Because it's not located in a cosmopolitan city of 12 million people.

[Ra_Z_Boy]

Decent start. Their defence is awful.

[BackFromABannin]

Celtic look a much better team without Samaras.

Could also do with getting shot of Majstorovic,Ive seen double decker buses turn quicker.

[fatshaft]

Originally Posted by Geddy Lee

The biggest problem I always encounter with you guys over there is you have this seemingly massive reluctance to accept a very simple concept: only select markets will ever have the proper carrying capacity for professional sports. You read Fatshaft's posts and you get the feeling he honestly believes there's a way to alter the parameters in a vacuum so that we wouldn't end up where we are today. It's just not possible. There's no rocket science behind why Europe's biggest clubs are Europe's biggest clubs.

There's a reason the Qataris bought PSG, and it has nothing to do with the club's prestige. If that were the case, a club like Saint-Etienne should've been just as appealing. But it's not. Why? Because it's not located in a cosmopolitan city of 12 million people.

That'll be why the Packers have been so unsuccessful in the NFL right?

[thedeezy]

Originally Posted by fatshaft

That'll be why the Packers have been so unsuccessful in the NFL right?

legit terrible example

[Ra_Z_Boy]

Originally Posted by fatshaft

That'll be why the Packers have been so unsuccessful in the NFL right?

Not applicable. Football does not have anything remotely in place like American sports to artificially enforce parity pretty much.

[fatshaft]

Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy

Straight knock out, champions only, every round 3 legs with a home away and neutral fixture until the final. It's decided first on games won, then if level on goal difference.

Just throwing out crazy ideas.

As for Scottish football. It's at deaths door alright. But the population makes it pretty unsustainable to have some sort of high quality league. Think of a country with a league of decent quality with roughly Scotlands population? So I have absolutely no ideas for what could be done. I am sure fatshaft has many starting with getting rid of the OF .

Absolute drivel as usual. You seem to forget that in the 80s, the SPL was one of the better leagues in Europe, Aberdeen & Utd both doing well year after year. Not winning everything in site like a club from the big countries right enough, but competing. The only thing that changed was Bosman, meaning small clubs stopped getting compensated for being raped by bigger clubs, and massive TV money.

In America TV money gets split, enabling everyone to compete for the same talent, and ultimately talent and better management holding by far the most important keys to winning.

[fatshaft]

Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy

Not applicable. Football does not have anything remotely in place like American sports to artificially enforce parity pretty much.

Indeed, while the OF hold a veto on everything, then "anything*" will never take steps to address the real issues in our game







*SFA & SPL

[Ra_Z_Boy]

How is it absolute drivel? The old days are gone. No longer can you become champions of Europe with players brought up within 20 miles of the stadium. You are harking back to the old days with absolutely no suggestions for the future or even given what is going on now context. Those days are gone.

As for how well Scottish football was doing, again, no country the size of Scotland that might have been doing well then are anything like as competitive now as they were then. Not a solely Scottish problem. Think of a country with a population similar to Scotland with a clearly superior domestic league + teams?

[kingweed]

Originally Posted by fatshaft

Absolute drivel as usual. You seem to forget that in the 80s, the SPL was one of the better leagues in Europe, Aberdeen & Utd both doing well year after year. Not winning everything in site like a club from the big countries right enough, but competing. The only thing that changed was Bosman, meaning small clubs stopped getting compensated for being raped by bigger clubs, and massive TV money.

In America TV money gets split, enabling everyone to compete for the same talent, and ultimately talent and better management holding by far the most important keys to winning.

Aberdeen and Dundee United had good home grown talent coming through. That isn't happening anymore...That is one of the issues.

Is the TV money split equally no matter where the team finishes? Or is their a greater reward for winning the league?

[Geddy Lee]

I'd just like to remind fatshaft that the Packers are a regional market team, which more or less taps into the entire state of Wisconsin for their merchandising and advertising revenues. That includes a rather sizeable metropolitan area like Greater Milwaukee. That's pretty significant market exclusivity.

Population of Wisconsin: 5.6 million
Population of Scotland: 5.2 million

[Geddy Lee]

Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy

The old days are gone. No longer can you become champions of Europe with players brought up within 20 miles of the stadium.

This is bang on.

How far back do you need to go to find a European final where all starters involved were domestic players?