right, so we'll ignore that their club was only in the position of strength by their robbing systematically for at least 15 years.

ok.

the level rangers are at right now, they are still losing other peoples money just to maintain it. that is wrong.

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you know i have no problems with teams or owners splashing the cash, i'm all for it actually so long as it is their own.

I was just pointing out what I thought he was trying to say but it's clear you don't agree which is fine.

i know what he and you are trying to say but it is an invalid argument as far as i'm concerned. all of them from the club, Murray, the directors, players, fans and coaching staff all benefited from their financial shennagians by way of money and huge success on the pitch for at least 15 years.

why should 'the football club' get off lightly? make a serious argument and i'll give it all my consideration, i might even support it if it is worthwhile.

You mention all of those people but do you know who knew about it all? If they all did then yeah shame on them but if the likes of the players/fans/coaching staff didn't what did you want them to do? Im sure the fans would give all the trophies and success back in a heartbeat if it meant keeping the club alive. I'd say the people that established Rangers back in the 19th century are rolling in their graves seeing their football club being run by a bunch of incompetent idiots.

Kevin, the players and coaches knew (how do you think they were being paid?), don't be silly

and as far as i can tell their fans want to give nothing back, same for ex players who have said so already.

not one word of remorse (like "sorry we ****ed up") has came out of Ibrox during all this and they still feel entitled to other peoples money to keep them going. nah Kev i want them punished to the max.

and the irony of all ironies, the guy they are championing to take over, P. Murray, was part of all the corruption under Murray (it was widespread throughout their club and loads knew about it), i mean you couldn't make this **** up. watch the video BFAB posted.

Yeah, you'd have thought someone would have said something about it all at this stage. I guess you just have to wait to see how it all plays out.

Geddy I respect a lot of what you have to say but it simply isn't true that we wouldn't have professional football in the SPL without the Old Firm

North American business model says you are wrong.

Really? I mean ok I'll give you the benefit of the doubt; I just thought this was common knowledge in the 'all knowing' world of SE. Don't go ranting about stuff that you don't have a clue about.

A lot less than they take just now is the answer. They negotiate TV money individually and take 50% between them.

By working collectively like most of the other big leagues. England is the perfect example where revenues are very fairly shared and the disparity between top and bottom is very small.


And the Spanish league is what, the best in the world?

Arguably. I'm not concerned with that argument. It's certainly top 2 and has proved its position this year with its 'nothing' clubs raping the best England has to offer.

So then you would expect la liga's income to correlate with this fact. But it doesn't. The French league earns more than la Liga. England's foreign TV revenue alone is more than Spain's entire income. The EPL model proves that working collectively is more powerful than trying to work like a monopoly (or duopoly as it were).

So that big market should really be bigger and obviously more benificial across the board, which would obviously create a more sustainable product.

That is true, but the extent to which it happens in Spain greatly exceeds any proven sustainable model, such as the EPL.

Perhaps football would be the perfect example of a system that would benefit from communism.


I doubt it. You're deluded if you think that the OF are required to create interest in the Scottish League. I'm not talking about insignificant TV money; I'm talking about fans through the turnstyles.

Why do you think attendances are down? People are bored with mid table mediocrity year after year, and OF fans are bored with playing Kilmarnock and St Johnstone etc because the competition is so weak.

You take that away and you're left with genuine competition between a load of more or less equal clubs, which I'm pretty sure would increase interest.

You also have the fact that, in every last town and village of Scotland, most football fans support Rangers or Celtic through some kind of hereditary right, largely dictated by 'religion' (which hardly exists these days in a religious context). You remove the OF from the equation and those football fans will no doubt continue to be football fans; some will continue being armchair fans, and some of the ones who go to Ibrox or Parkhead will no doubt go and support their local team.

What of the next generation?

Well, in the absence of Rangers and Celtic, it seems pretty clear that local teams, with genuine aspirations of winning the league, will attract some of those youngsters, and wth or without TV revenues, the Scottish league will be a whole lot more exciting for the people who actually matter: the fans who attend matches.

Press and Journal article here proves the point.

Scotland is not North America. People like football in Scotland. There's no comparison.

^^lol i was joking.

not being funny but i cannot see any point other than that article mentions 'personal wealth' but ignores that it was MIH that took the hit - not his personal wealth but his company, which in turn was built on debt to the bank and we know who owns that debt now.

Well I suppose it boils down to how we define 'personal wealth'.

we'll leave it at that before somebody complains about the tone of the thread.

Yeah good idea. Some people don't seem to understand Celts can argue in a friendly manner when it seems aggressive to lesser mortals.

1-0 Mulgrew

Good start

Loovens makes it 2-0.

Champions!!

Drug test for Mulgrew after this game I'm guessing!!!

Charlie Mulgrew POTY?

seems somebody was wrong

Craig Burley you're a wanker, you're a wanker!!!

lol

4-0 Hooper, ****ing class.

i might go get drunk.

We look rather good with this front three.

Mulgrew scored two (so far) and set the other two up, not bad at all.

Sounds like the U19's are giving the Huns a spanking at Murray park too.

A good day all round.