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06-21-2012 , 10:44 PM
The real lulz will be if Sky's new preferred terms are released as soon as it's confirmed newco is out.
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06-21-2012 , 11:09 PM
I would imagine that this will most likely be the case.

Sky have obviously been waiting for this whole situation to be resolved one way or the other before getting a new deal done and dusted.

Without the promise of OF games for the foreseeable future I suspect the new deal will be a lot less lucrative than the deal originally agreed.
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06-22-2012 , 01:28 AM
imo, Romanov has really become the star of the show. His official statement had me howling.
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06-22-2012 , 01:13 PM
Aberdeen says no!

go on the sheep
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06-22-2012 , 03:41 PM
So now they need every team to say yes, right?

**** off Rangers to the third division. The Queen loves them that much she liquidated the ****s.
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06-22-2012 , 04:08 PM
lol.
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06-22-2012 , 04:25 PM
The only club that have indicated they might vote yes was Kilmarnock IIRC (largely because the chairman is a big newco fan) but even they must realise its a lost cause at this stage.

The third division awaits.
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06-22-2012 , 04:45 PM
well done sammy tonight
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06-22-2012 , 05:12 PM


hahahahah.
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06-23-2012 , 07:26 AM
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t’s a long time since this website has been updated with anything even vaguely resembling regularity. Once upon a time, BH was not only a printed fanzine, but also a busy web community of Saints news, views and rubbish Dundee jokes. My main excuse for letting all this slip is that I’m a lazy bugger at heart, but there’s also the marginally more acceptable reason that I now have to spend most of my time in London. While I still spend frankly stupid amounts of time and money travelling to watch my boyhood heroes, I’m no longer an ever-present, and feel my ability to publish fair comment on the latest right-back or new pie range has long since diminished.

Incredibly, though, blueheaven.org.uk still pulls in a daily slew of hits from all over the world. Admittedly, many of them appear to be from people looking for recipes for Scottish ‘Biscuits’ (hello biscuit fans, if you’re reading this!). But a fair whack of them are also St Johnstone supporters. People still use this site to get in touch and ask me how they can get hold of old fanzine issues, or when there will be a new one, or even whether I can spare some time to give a fans’ view to the media.

So, in my own odd way, I feel an annoying sense of residual duty to use this site to express some sort of view on the crisis that is currently ripping through Scottish football. Which means me crawling out of retirement for one last rant.

On 4th July, our club will be asked to vote on whether or not a cheap, hurriedly constructed version of Rangers will be allowed to play in next season’s SPL. It could be the SPL’s very own Independence Day, or it could be the day that sees thousands of fans up and down the country turning their backs on clubs they have supported for their entire lives.

In the BH fanzine days, Rangers (or The Forces of Darkness as we always knew them) were essentially treated as the comedy bad guys. And I suppose that now, with their fiendish EBT scheme, TFOD have indeed turned out to be Scottish football’s equivalent of Dick Dastardly in Wacky Races; always stopping mid-race to place increasingly elaborate obstacles in their competitors’ way, too stupid and greedy to realise that if they only kept going they’d be miles ahead anyway.

And now that it’s blown up in their faces, after years of boasting about being too good for Scotland and threatening to pack up their belongings and head elsewhere, Rangers need a favour. The mighty Rangers, with their world record stash of domestic trophies, wondrous marble staircase and noble history of religious intolerance, need a favour from us, the shampoo on their shoes.

But there’s just one problem. Because they’re not even Rangers, are they? Rangers – the real Rangers that is, with their cheeky, lovable fanbase – lie dying in the gutter. And, while a succession of predictably dodgy characters squabble over the scraps, a New Rangers has appeared like a phoenix from the flames. Or, at least, a phoenix from some shampoo. A stinking phoenix from a pile of corrupt, festering shampoo.

Yet this new club (catchily titled Sevco 5088 – it’ll look great on the Union Jack flags), that has never as much as kicked a football, supposedly has the SPL running scared. We can’t upset Sevco! Anything but that! After all, without the pulling power of Sevco, the league will degenerate into something akin to Irish-League-meets-swingball, with no TV deal, no Sevco fans to swell our stands and piss in our shop doorways, and none of that juicy European glory we’ve all grown so accustomed to dining out on as Scottish football fans. The end of the world is officially nigh.

Unfortunately, the pro-Sevco argument falls apart on two fronts: 1. It’s bollocks (if Scottish First Division clubs can survive without the Old Firm or a TV deal, then why can’t the larger clubs of the SPL?); 2. Even if it weren’t bollocks, it’s not the point. It’s not about money. It’s not about product. It’s not about standard of football. It’s not even about Rangers (because, let us never forget, they’re not Rangers). It’s about sporting integrity, and it’s about supporters up and down the land saying enough is enough.

From a purely personal point of view, if I was at all bothered about watching the world’s greatest footballers playing sexy football inside a packed stadium and in front of a huge TV audience, I would not be a St Johnstone supporter. I, like many others, support Saints because they are my local club, representing my home town. From an early age, I was hooked on the sights, sounds and smells of following that club. My most enduring memories of watching Saints stretch from buying blue popcorn and Dotty bars as a kid in the Ormond Stand, to losing the league in the last minute of the season at Hamilton and being hammered 4-0 by Stenhousemuir. Very few of my St Johnstone memories involve any sort of glory, and those that do stand out only because they are so rare. Yet, like the rest of us, I’ve carried on going back, and at increasingly hard-to-justify levels of expense at that.

To paraphrase one of the contributors to the We Are Perth forum, what it boils down to is this: I’d rather watch St Johnstone playing amateur Sunday league football on the North Inch, than pay to see them willingly participate in a fixed, corrupt Premier League. Because that is exactly what the SPL will become if it allows a brand new football club to leapfrog the lower divisions and start out in the top flight, based purely on the strength of an application form.

Is this really how the SPL wants football to work now? Should we ditch the concept of promotion and relegation completely, and just open up every place in the league to the highest bidder? Why even bother playing football at all? Why not just turn the whole league into one big, obscene auction?

If that is what the SPL wants, then I’m afraid it’s probably time for me – as a fan of football, not of business – to bow out. And if it’s something St Johnstone are prepared to vote in favour of, then like many other fans I’ll be forced to re-assess whether or not I really want to support them. That’s something I never thought I’d say. But, while I’ll always be a Saints fan at heart, I’ll view my commitment to supporting the club in a very different way if the club votes ‘yes’.

If I could make one plea to Steve Brown and the rest of the St Johnstone board, it would be this: please don’t turn your backs on the club’s ethics. Those same ethics prompted Geoff Brown to speak out against Livingston and Gretna, and they’re as valid now as they were then. Don’t give in to bullying, or greed, or corporate threats. Don’t give up on being a football club. Don’t give up on being St Johnstone. No surrender.
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the bolded is important but there is plenty more in this piece to agree with.

Last edited by unwantedguest; 06-23-2012 at 07:27 AM. Reason: of course he is thinking of the fans.
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06-23-2012 , 07:29 AM
isn't anyone going to think of their fans?

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06-24-2012 , 07:46 AM
http://www.newstatesman.com/lifestyl...ile-rangers-fc

This is a pretty decent article IMO and gives people that aren't fully familiar with the whole saga a decent background. There are also some lines which should outrage Marty, which probably justifies me posting it irrespective of whether it is good or not.
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06-24-2012 , 11:05 AM
Not a lot to object with except maybe he concentrated on religious/political stuff a bit more than the actual ins and outs of the cheating/fraud.

Last edited by unwantedguest; 06-24-2012 at 11:10 AM. Reason: i'm still raging cos they're gonna get away with it!
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06-24-2012 , 11:51 AM
McCabey, Aloukoy, Whittakery and Naismithy all do walking away.

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06-24-2012 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by martymc1
McCabey, Aloukoy, Whittakery and Naismithy all do walking away.

They should all do it tbh
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06-24-2012 , 01:46 PM
what whittaker said and their history being gone is gonna wind up the huns so much.
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06-24-2012 , 02:27 PM
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Whittaker, in particular, was visibly distraught when he faced the media during a press conference held on Sunday to explain the reasons for their departures.

“I suppose it is a worry where they [Rangers] are heading,” he admitted. “It is definitely a decision which has been going through my mind. I’ve had sleepless nights and endless conversations with my wife and family trying to come up with the best outcome for myself. It has been very stressful. But I think I have made the right decision.”
See, I do feel for these guys because it's not like they're making mega dollars in Scotland to begin with. These last few months must've been hell for guys trying to figure out how they're going to move on with their careers and personal lives after this all falls apart. They're not robots ldo.
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06-24-2012 , 02:58 PM
I just heard that John Greig's statue has walked away from ibrox.
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06-24-2012 , 06:09 PM
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Rangers chief executive Charles Green has threatened legal action against any players who refuse to transfer their contracts to his new company and any clubs who attempt to sign those players.
Charles Green has barely owned the club for five minutes and he's already plumbing new depths. What is disgusting, apart from the fact that he probably barely has a leg to stand on, is that his threats are going to put people off signing these players as they'll bring with them the potential for legal action, costs and a whole lot of **** that the acquiring club could do without. This will obviously affect these guy's ability to earn a living.

****.
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06-24-2012 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoopie1
Charles Green has barely owned the club for five minutes and he's already plumbing new depths. What is disgusting, apart from the fact that he probably barely has a leg to stand on, is that his threats are going to put people off signing these players as they'll bring with them the potential for legal action, costs and a whole lot of **** that the acquiring club could do without. This will obviously affect these guy's ability to earn a living.

****.
He doesn't have a leg to stand on regarding the players contracts considering he doesn't own their contracts. They are free agents once the liquidation process starts, and they are under no obligation to just transfer over to new rangers.

He is good for a right few laughs tho.

Hoopie you are making the simple mistake of believing Green and co are telling the truth (I've not seen one instance were this is the case).

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06-24-2012 , 06:37 PM
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See, I do feel for these guys because it's not like they're making mega dollars in Scotland to begin with. These last few months must've been hell for guys trying to figure out how they're going to move on with their careers and personal lives after this all falls apart. They're not robots ldo.
Absolute living hell for whittakery on 20k pw and no doubt naismithy was on something similar.

Nah, **** them they're getting no sympathy from me.

Whittakery signed a 5 year deal @20k pw just at the start of last season, works out at £5m by my calcs, not ****ing bad for a very limited footballer.

Also these chumps will not be without a club for long and they can expect a decent signing on bonus, they will not be out of pocket.

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06-24-2012 , 06:40 PM
I'm gonna post this again cos no one took any notice the last time I posted it.

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there will be no rangers playing professional football in Scotland next season

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06-24-2012 , 06:54 PM
Regardless Marty they've still got mortgages and stuff to pay.

Yes, it's a good living they where earning and I agree more than they should have for their respected abilities but that's not their fault really, is it?
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06-24-2012 , 06:56 PM
There's more staff at the club than just the players.

It's just one big **** up that has serious consequences for innocent, normal, working people.
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06-24-2012 , 07:00 PM
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There's more staff at the club than just the players.

And what?

I'm guessing you haven't got a clue here again.

The employees can transfer over if they like under TUPE (somebody help me with an explanation) regulation and new rangers have to honour their contracts (all t&c's must be adhered to) for a full year.

Otoh all employees have the right to not transfer over to a new company if they don't want to.
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