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05-17-2012 , 01:06 PM
http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/r...s-involvement/

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The Scottish Premier League’s new television deal with Sky is dependent on both Celtic and Rangers participating in the competition.

STV understands the broadcaster has negotiated a termination clause in its contract with the league, should either side no longer be in the division.
There is a lot of interest around the world in the Old Firm rivalry, and a lot of individual support for both Celtic and Rangers. For the rest of the league (sorry Clyro) no-one outside the UK really cares.

Its worth a lot of money for the SFA to be able to give Old Firm matches not only in publicity for the league, but to increase the Scottish UEFA co-effecient, and would be similar for any other league with 2 high profile teams (Spain, Ukraine, Greece among others) to not have one without the other...

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...their fans deserve all the pain that comes with that.
I cant say I have ever been spat on/stabbed/shot/pissed on by a Rangers fan, and anyone that has may have differing opinions, but I cant see how it is unreasonable for people to feel sympathy in this case for fans who knew nothing of the behind the scenes shananigans that were/are going on.

Marty, no one is saying that Rangers should be artifically propped up, or given a lenient deal (at least from what I have read in the last few pages of posts) and we all agree the figureheads behind this should burn in hell. All we are saying

- We have a small amount of sympathy for the innocent fans
- A lot of people have reason to keep Rangers in the league

That isnt unreasonable.
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05-17-2012 , 02:07 PM
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helped
Yeah, that's my point. It can only 'help you' win a title if the gap was closer than the deduction. Otherwise it had **** all to do with it.

Unless we are going to bring some weird psychology argument to the table...
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05-17-2012 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ashley12
http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/r...s-involvement/



There is a lot of interest around the world in the Old Firm rivalry, and a lot of individual support for both Celtic and Rangers. For the rest of the league (sorry Clyro) no-one outside the UK really cares.

Its worth a lot of money for the SFA to be able to give Old Firm matches not only in publicity for the league, but to increase the Scottish UEFA co-effecient, and would be similar for any other league with 2 high profile teams (Spain, Ukraine, Greece among others) to not have one without the other...

The following are your words



I cant say I have ever been spat on/stabbed/shot/pissed on by a Rangers fan, and anyone that has may have differing opinions, but I cant see how it is unreasonable for people to feel sympathy in this case for fans who knew nothing of the behind the scenes shananigans that were/are going on.

Marty, no one is saying that Rangers should be artifically propped up, or given a lenient deal (at least from what I have read in the last few pages of posts) and we all agree the figureheads behind this should burn in hell. All we are saying

- We have a small amount of sympathy for the innocent fans
- A lot of people have reason to keep Rangers in the league

That isnt unreasonable.
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STV understands
these ****s are months behind the times and no sources (check the links i posted for some real news).

not unreasonable, no. what is unreasonable is for Langer (or anyone) to expect me to share that sympathy and to try paint me as a bad person for not doing so.
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05-17-2012 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ashley12
I dont think Langer has said anything out of line here...

The individuals running Rangers deserve everything they get, I dont think anyone is doubting that.

The fans, who over the last 15 years would have known very little about the background operations of the club, dont deserve to have this happen to their club.
The scumbag behaviour of the owners is reflected by the supporters of that club. They are a disgrace. I have no idea how anyone can have any sympathy with them whatsoever to be honest.
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05-17-2012 , 07:53 PM
the fans.....

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Rangers fans could push ahead with plans to boycott away matches after the club lost its appeal against sanctions imposed by the Scottish Football Association’s judicial panel.

The administration-hit club had hoped a 12-month transfer embargo and fine of £160,000 would be scrapped upon appeal but their case was thrown out following an appellate tribunal hearing last night.

Thousands of supporters protested outside Hampden last month when the punishment was initially handed down, with fans’ representatives also meeting at Ibrox to discuss what action they may take depending on the outcome of the appeal.

Andy Kerr, president of the Rangers Supporters Assembly, told Press Association Sport today: “We had a meeting on the day of the march and there were a whole range of things put forward.

“We said we wouldn’t have any knee-jerk reactions and be hopeful the appeals process would help.

“Now we know it hasn’t been a help, we will revisit that discussion as a matter or urgency and consider what might be the best actions to take in the interests of the club.

“We need to be careful that we don’t end up hurting ourselves at the same time.”

He added: “There will definitely be a call not to support away matches because that is directly impacting on the other clubs and they are member clubs of the SFA.

“In terms of the SFA specifically, there has already been some activity in terms of protesting and making representations to their sponsors.


“Potentially, there will be a call not to enter the Scottish Cup because that is the only competition we compete in that’s directly under the auspices of the SFA.

“The other one is non-cooperation with national squads.”

Rangers were hit with the punishment when they were found guilty of five charges relating to their finances and the appointment of Craig Whyte as chairman – in particular the non-payment of more than £13million in taxes since Whyte’s takeover last May.

Reflecting on the appeal outcome, Kerr said: “My initial reaction was that I was extremely disappointed.

“There was also an element anger, which I’m sure will be felt across the supporter base.

“We were hopeful because when we looked at the reasons for the decision, the rationale behind it and the circumstances in which it occurred, we had a clear view that Craig Whyte was the villain of the piece here.

“It looks as though the way they have reasoned the case is that effectively the actions of the owner apply equally to the actions of the club.

“We think that was totally unreasonable.

“This 12-month transfer ban just appears to have appeared out of nowhere, (aye out of £13m worth of nowhere, their club would be dead already without it) with no precedent and no other comparison with other cases to determine whether that was appropriate.”

Rangers administrators Duff and Phelps suggested last night they could explore further ways of challenging the sanctions.

Kerr said: “If that is the next level, we would all welcome and support that.

“There is a feeling here that the whole spirit of dealing with this within the SFA and through the appeals process has been ’let’s hammer Rangers’.

“That’s the way it has felt. I think an independent set of eyes and an independent consideration would be something we would welcome.”

Kerr believes the transfer embargo – which will prevent Rangers from signing players over the age of 17 – will have wider implications for the rest of Scottish football.

He said: “One of the things that has been a very healthy part of Scottish football over the years is that Rangers have bought players from other Scottish clubs.

“They have effectively propped them up with pretty sizeable transfer fees.
(still need paid)

“If I was the chairman of, for example, Motherwell or St Mirren, and I had a promising player, I would be thinking that Rangers might be interested in signing him. (with more monoploy money)
distinct lack of 'sorry' and 'we regret' or 'we'd like to apologise for...' from the fans as well as the club.

hahaha dodo's.
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05-17-2012 , 08:12 PM
I'm in the party of **** the fans. Obviously there are good ones around but they have too many scumbag fans for me to have any sympathy. I'm loving all their pain after all the crap I've put up with growing up as a non old firm fan and the fact they will def be back in some capacity makes it really easy to have zero sympathy.

I'd feel the same if it was Celtic.


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For the rest of the league (sorry Clyro) no-one outside the UK really cares.
Give the cup final a watch on Saturday......first Edinburgh derby final since 1896. It's bigger than an Old firm final due to it being a once in a lifetime. Gonna be mental, haven't been this excited for a cup final as a neutral ever.

Obv won't be the greatest quality but the passion/atmosphere/determination/scenes of celebration will be second to none

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05-17-2012 , 09:07 PM
i would like to watch that game but its scheduled at the same time as the championship play off final, with only 2 meaningful games in the uk on saturday its a shame they are being played at the same time
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05-18-2012 , 05:11 AM
yeah that's annoying, I'll prob stream the play-off final online at the side
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05-18-2012 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by clyro
I'm in the party of **** the fans. Obviously there are good ones around but they have too many scumbag fans for me to have any sympathy. I'm loving all their pain after all the crap I've put up with growing up as a non old firm fan and the fact they will def be back in some capacity makes it really easy to have zero sympathy.

I'd feel the same if it was Celtic.




Give the cup final a watch on Saturday......first Edinburgh derby final since 1896. It's bigger than an Old firm final due to it being a once in a lifetime. Gonna be mental, haven't been this excited for a cup final as a neutral ever.

Obv won't be the greatest quality but the passion/atmosphere/determination/scenes of celebration will be second to none
Celtic absolutely have their fair share of ****s and scum but don't put them at the same level as Rangers. Its not even close.
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05-18-2012 , 03:42 PM
I think Celtic fans opinion on anything Rangers is pretty much worthless and vice versa.

It's a rivalry that is seeded by much more than football and therefore makes both sides almost incapable of discussing the other rationally.
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05-18-2012 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Langerdang
I think Celtic fans opinion on anything Rangers is pretty much worthless and vice versa.

It's a rivalry that is seeded by much more than football and therefore makes both sides almost incapable of discussing the other rationally.
i'm not having this, you are an ignorant ****wit.

i gave you 3 links, 2 Celtic fans in there i believe and they are anything but irrational.

what is irrational is some Chelsea supporting knobend without the first clue what he is talking about coming in here and preaching to the rest of us. **** off, nobody cares what you have to say, ****ing ignoramous.

so in finishing, i think Langers opinion on anything other that Chelsea homerism matters are worthless (that is what you are saying about thousands of people and me specifically).
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05-18-2012 , 04:45 PM
grow up marty, he's perfectly entitled to his opinion without having to deal with abuse like that
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05-18-2012 , 05:00 PM
Hearts ftw

Also why are there no Rangers fans itt?

(Runs away)
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05-18-2012 , 05:08 PM
I don't know much about Scottish Football, but isn't it a bad thing if the biggest club with the richest history collapses?
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05-18-2012 , 05:20 PM
Marty you are outrageous, that is all.
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05-18-2012 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Langerdang
I think Celtic fans opinion on anything Rangers is pretty much worthless and vice versa.

It's a rivalry that is seeded by much more than football and therefore makes both sides almost incapable of discussing the other rationally.


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Originally Posted by martymc1
i'm not having this, you are an ignorant ****wit.

i gave you 3 links, 2 Celtic fans in there i believe and they are anything but irrational.

what is irrational is some Chelsea supporting knobend without the first clue what he is talking about coming in here and preaching to the rest of us. **** off, nobody cares what you have to say, ****ing ignoramous.

so in finishing, i think Langers opinion on anything other that Chelsea homerism matters are worthless (that is what you are saying about thousands of people and me specifically).
These posts back to back are gold. Couldn't script it better.
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05-18-2012 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Vael
I don't know much about Scottish Football, but isn't it a bad thing if the biggest club with the richest history collapses?
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05-18-2012 , 05:44 PM
what is outrageous exactly? is it the 3 days sniping from you (on something i know you don't care about) Langer because i told you TJ was a ****?
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05-18-2012 , 05:48 PM
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grow up marty, he's perfectly entitled to his opinion without having to deal with abuse like that
so he is correct? no Celtic fans can have a valid opinion on rangers? i cannot have a valid opinion on rangers because langer said so (and implied i am something other than a football fan in these matters - A BIGOT)?

or is he full of **** and just making noise because he has no idea of the scale of the situation?

come on to **** here, lets be honest about who is being outrageous and abusive.
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05-18-2012 , 06:07 PM
Post 2537 was completely out of order. He didn't attack you, he was giving his opinion which tbh isn't far out in regards to a lot of Old Firm fans.

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05-18-2012 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by martymc1
i'm not having this, you are an ignorant ****wit.

i gave you 3 links, 2 Celtic fans in there i believe and they are anything but irrational.

what is irrational is some Chelsea supporting knobend without the first clue what he is talking about coming in here and preaching to the rest of us. **** off, nobody cares what you have to say, ****ing ignoramous.

so in finishing, i think Langers opinion on anything other that Chelsea homerism matters are worthless (that is what you are saying about thousands of people and me specifically).
Marty, you've been warned multiple times about this kind of unprovoked (and this is completely unprovoked) personal attacks. 2 weeks and consider yourself on a yellow having just received the "no more" lecture from the ref.
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05-18-2012 , 06:20 PM
Additionally, posting on any gimmick accounts is going to be a perma.
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05-18-2012 , 06:24 PM
I was wondering why I couldn't pm him back.

I was far from calling anybody a bigot (lol). In my experience of fans from both sides, they're largely incapable of talking fairly about the other.
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05-18-2012 , 06:28 PM
I mean I feel like a broken record here, but the correctness of a statement like
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In my experience of fans from both sides, they're largely incapable of talking fairly about the other.
is basically immaterial to me. No matter how true or false, it doesn't justify being a dick. (Tho if you were trying to demonstrate rationality, the immediate "**** YOU" response might not be the best play.)
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05-18-2012 , 06:33 PM
Noooooooooooo

Sethy don't do it.
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