Piss Collector dude says nothing about FedEx being closed and Braun says nothing about FedEx shipping them until Monday. This article seems pretty bad.

Also I would assume FexEx has a similar protocol in storing things like urine samples for testing if they won't ship that same day. The items should be dropped off there because the only people that know that is Braun's sample is the collector and Braun. Once in FedEx's custody, Braun is now only a number.

Chain of Custody is breached, Braun is not guilty. I would like to believe Braun is completely innocent, but I don't know if anyone in baseball is completely innocent.

I am happy he won the case and hopefully he stays clean the rest of his career... Now please go win another division title...

Will you at least admit that it's overwhelmingly likely that Braun used steroids?

casie anthony is innocent too, cashmahne telling some good starries

he probably used something but he never tested positive for a steroid iirc

is it bad i think it's more of a lock that braun juiced than casey anthony killed her daughter?

this.

So he cheated by using a crib sheet uploaded on his phone instead of writing the answers on his hand.

yeah he didn't test positive for steroids, just synthetic testosterone

whatever, i couldn't really give a **** about this whole thing now that he isn't getting suspended.

hey i'm as happy as i could be given the situation. just really disappointed in braun. i thought he was above this and i was wrong. i know he's not the only one doing it, but just b/c others are cheating doesn't make it acceptable.

Don't care about the appeal results. Braun looks more like a cheater everytime he denies it. Truth is the average Joe doesn't believe that a Ninja drug-tampering badger jumped into a sample with three tamper-proof seals just because it was in a Wisconsin basement and not in a fed-ex shipping and receiving depot.

Oh well, deny, deny deny. I'd have some respect for him if he he didn't think we were as stupid as he himself appears to be.

Now, I hope he hits 12 Hrs and 45 RBIs this year...

So does everyone think brauns been cheating for years then or what? Legit wondering

i think there's significantly less base to say he's been cheating for years on the assumption that: his numbers have been consistent, therefore synthetic test etc. has been a part of it.

there's the barry bonds-esque quantum leap in power numbers/longevity, but there's also a lot of guys who don't take cattle roids yet still ingest stuff that helps them get through the season. buncha scrubs on the mitchell report basically.

two hometown examples: alex sanchez and NOOK logan.

caveat: anyone in the modern era who puts up historical numbers, like braun, is in my eyes more likely to be 'cheating' than not.

but given the rampant-unadulterated-hypocritical-lolbeisbol-fatally flawed attempt at cleaning up the game, as evident by the kinkos story, I don't really consider any of them cheaters anymore, nor should anyone else. Baseball hasn't had any semblance of ethics since selig took over in 92.

so yeah, go protest wall street or something. and let us further celebrate The Kid.

I have this sneaky suspicion that there's some piece of this puzzle that the public doesn't know about yet. I don't think this because I like Braun and the Brewers. It's just that I find it very hard to believe that the arbitrator ruled in favor of Braun because of a simple "technicality." The guy has been doing these cases for about 20 years, he's very well educated, and he has never ruled in favor of the player. It is crazy, crazy hard for a player to win an appeal - it seems to me that this seasoned arbitrator wouldn't just be like, "The pee was in a guy's house instead of a Fedex storage room? You convinced me. Innocent."

I've quoted a person or two from another board who are in the drug testing/medical lab field who have given those of us on that board a fantastic education on all this stuff. One of them summed up my thoughts well, imo:

Who knows, really. Maybe Braun totally juiced and his team got crazy lucky. I just can't imagine that Braun's team, facing the near-impossibility of disproving MLB's testing, somehow found the magic Super Mario Brothers warp zone to transport them all the way to an innocent verdict. It just doesn't make sense to me. If he really is guilty, his press conference put Palmiero's finger-pointing to shame.

i don't know who's more delusional: the dlk9ses who think he's actually innocent or the shiftyeye7ses who think they can predict which athletes are "above" using banned substances

predict? lol. i just hoped...

dlk9s, if it is true that you don't think that way because you like Braun and the Brew Crew (it isn't true), then you have less than 0% of the ability required to ever be a lawyer like Riverman

dlk9 ainec imo.

conte:

athletes can still cheat testing by "microdosing" testosterone creams/gels:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...icle-1.1028470


but they cannot beat the isotope test. he argues that isotope test should be the first used.

Who is "this guy" you're talking about? From what I have read, it wasn't an "arbitrator" it was a panel of arbitrators, and he won 2-1 which means at least one of them thought he cheated and refused to overturn on a technicality.


ETA: NM I see what you mean now, Das was essentially the deciding vote.

Lettuce bump this thread in September. Should be clean this season.

When have I ever screamed to the heavens that Braun is totally and undeniably clean? I've even said that maybe he juiced or "who knows." I'm just saying that it seems very odd that an really well-respected, well-educated arbitrator that has done this a lot and has never ruled in favor of the player would let Braun off on just a "technicality." It feels to me that there has to be something more to Braun's case than it simply taking too long to get the whizz to the lab and for some reason whatever was so convincing to the independent arbitrator (lol at the MLB and MLBPA panel members) has not been made public. It just doesn't pass the smell test for me.

I don't know. I just can't imagine, that with all the failed appeals over the years and how strong of an upper-hand MLB has that winning the appeal was as easy as saying, "44 hours!"

And I do not think the collector tampered with it and I feel really bad that Jeff Passan (I believe it was him) made his name public. Even if he did screw something up, it was almost certainly an honest mistake and he shouldn't have his life turned upside down because of it. He didn't lose the launch codes or anything.

lol wat: shiftyeye was obviously disappointed. It's not hard to predict who is using PEDs. Ok, maybe it's possible Brady Anderson just decided to work really hard one off-season.

Speaking of "smell test," I wouldn't have wanted to be the technician to open Braun's sample at the lab. After sitting around for 2 days, it must have smelled horrible. Especially with all that extreme manliness in it.

"i thought he was above this"
the mlb rep will always rule in favor of mlb/teams and the union rep will always rule in favor of the player so in effect every arbitration is decided solely by das.
that's my point. if you believe this you are delusional.

it's telling that you naturally assume that brady was a ped user with no proof whatsoever when a bunch of guys who had no similar outlier seasons have been suspended by mlb for ped use (so easy to tell who was juicing tho!)

also curious why brady apparently only juiced for one season when it seemed to have such a huge effect on his performance.