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02-23-2012 , 11:17 PM
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02-23-2012 , 11:21 PM
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Change title of thread to the roast of agame
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02-23-2012 , 11:37 PM
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ive never seen an athlete not immediately claim innocence.
lolAgame and all usually, but I think what he's saying is that Braun didn't come out with some vague statement after a day saying something like there was a "miscommunication" or that his camp was "looking at their options" or whatever. He came straight out right away (albeit via text) and said it was "B.S." Typically, at least from what I recall, most players who know they are guilty pussyfoot around the issue a bit (after testing positive - not a Barry Bonds situation where most think he did PED's but it was never proven) and don't come right out and say the results were total ****.
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02-23-2012 , 11:38 PM
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lolAgame and all usually, but I think what he's saying is that Braun didn't come out with some vague statement after a day saying something like there was a "miscommunication" or that his camp was "looking at their options" or whatever. He came straight out right away (albeit via text) and said it was "B.S." Typically, at least from what I recall, most players who know they are guilty pussyfoot around the issue a bit (after testing positive - not a Barry Bonds situation where most think he did PED's but it was never proven) and don't come right out and say the results were total ****.
mebbe thats the case with lol baseball players. the track and cycling and swimming guys just shamelessly vehemently claim innocence.
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02-23-2012 , 11:40 PM
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lolAgame and all usually, but I think what he's saying is that Braun didn't come out with some vague statement after a day saying something like there was a "miscommunication" or that his camp was "looking at their options" or whatever. He came straight out right away (albeit via text) and said it was "B.S." Typically, at least from what I recall, most players who know they are guilty pussyfoot around the issue a bit (after testing positive - not a Barry Bonds situation where most think he did PED's but it was never proven) and don't come right out and say the results were total ****.
that's because he stood outside kinkos and the urine guy never showed
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02-23-2012 , 11:40 PM
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If this was as Agame suggests, I'm pretty sure MLB's press release about this wouldn't be "well I guess we have to deal with this ruling because that's the process we chose, but that dude is ****ing wrong and we're pissed about it"
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02-23-2012 , 11:42 PM
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Will Carroll has been talking about the verdict on Twitter. He seems to know something more than what has been revealed to this point. Basically saying that Braun's camp "more or less" repeated the delay in testing Braun's sample and showed that it caused the crazy results. I wonder if he really knows this or it's just speculation as to what the defense team would do, based on Carroll's experience.

Also, is it just me (or my blue and gold glasses), or does the MLB statement "vehemently disagreeing" with the neutral arbitrator seem really inappropriate?
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02-23-2012 , 11:43 PM
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mebbe thats the case with lol baseball players. the track and cycling and swimming guys just shamelessly vehemently claim innocence.
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02-23-2012 , 11:48 PM
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Also, is it just me (or my blue and gold glasses), or does the MLB statement "vehemently disagreeing" with the neutral arbitrator seem really inappropriate?
maybe? but again, its super standard sentiment and verbiage as compared to international doping agencies.
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02-23-2012 , 11:49 PM
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Also, is it just me (or my blue and gold glasses), or does the MLB statement "vehemently disagreeing" with the neutral arbitrator seem really inappropriate?
this is makes MLB look pretty bad so it stands to reason that they'd be pissed.
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02-23-2012 , 11:52 PM
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This whole saga is just so weird. I'm going to bed.
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02-24-2012 , 12:00 AM
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A lot of the media is repeating the idea that the time lag doesn't matter.... I have no idea about this specific test, but it matters in plenty of other diagnostic areas.
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02-24-2012 , 12:05 AM
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A lot of the media is repeating the idea that the time lag doesn't matter.... I have no idea about this specific test, but it matters in plenty of other diagnostic areas.
It doesn't matter what substances were found. The time delay wouldn't affect that. It matters because it allows tampering. Thus you can't 100% say that the substance was because it was in his body. There is the doubt that something else could have put the testosterone in the sample. I know it's LOL but that is the logic behind it.
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02-24-2012 , 12:12 AM
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What's the point of an appeal to a panel of independent arbitrators if everyone snap hates on their decision. They know more than any of us, they prob got it right.

Shame that the initial results were leaked.
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02-24-2012 , 12:12 AM
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It doesn't matter what substances were found. The time delay wouldn't affect that. It matters because it allows tampering. Thus you can't 100% say that the substance was because it was in his body. There is the doubt that something else could have put the testosterone in the sample. I know it's LOL but that is the logic behind it.
Would you call that a "reasonable doubt"?
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02-24-2012 , 12:18 AM
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It doesn't matter what substances were found. The time delay wouldn't affect that. It matters because it allows tampering. Thus you can't 100% say that the substance was because it was in his body. There is the doubt that something else could have put the testosterone in the sample. I know it's LOL but that is the logic behind it.
couldn't there be tampering between the testing site and kinkos?
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02-24-2012 , 12:21 AM
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Would you call that a "reasonable doubt"?
No, but it comes down to the argument of more innocent people in jail vs more guilty people free. Anyway In my mind he is 100% guilty unless more facts come out. No one would put that much testosterone in the sample.
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02-24-2012 , 12:25 AM
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couldn't there be tampering between the testing site and kinkos?
Yes, but it would be obvious. The specimens are shipped in special packages and if ANY seal is broken the sample is no good. The seals tear pretty instantly if someone tries to mess with it.
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02-24-2012 , 12:26 AM
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It doesn't matter what substances were found. The time delay wouldn't affect that. It matters because it allows tampering. Thus you can't 100% say that the substance was because it was in his body. There is the doubt that something else could have put the testosterone in the sample. I know it's LOL but that is the logic behind it.
I suppose the creation of something in a sample is pretty absurd in this specific case, but I assume that there's some other test out there that could be affect by leaving the sample in a drawer for awhile. The MLB can't just put away people when they don't follow their own rules though.

In general, anti-doping labs suck pretty hard scientifically. I'm all for a very strict standard before suspending a guy for months.
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suck it from the back.
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I suppose the creation of something in a sample is pretty absurd in this specific case, but I assume that there's some other test out there that could be affect by leaving the sample in a drawer for awhile. The MLB can't just put away people when they don't follow their own rules though.

In general, anti-doping labs suck pretty hard scientifically. I'm all for a very strict standard before suspending a guy for months.
100% Agreed. Anti-doping labs are terrible. If the US wanted better testing, they would use university hospital/labs imo. Anti-doping labs are so full of ****-ups that cases like this aren't that rare.
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100% Agreed. Anti-doping labs are terrible. If the US wanted better testing, they would use university hospital/labs imo. Anti-doping labs are so full of ****-ups that cases like this aren't that rare.
Problem is that university labs/hospitals are typically pretty busy doing stuff that's actually medically relevant.
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Problem is that university labs/hospitals are typically pretty busy doing stuff that's actually medically relevant.
yeah, definitely. That's why mlb is stuck with the crappy anti-doping labs.
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lolAgame and all usually, but I think what he's saying is that Braun didn't come out with some vague statement after a day saying something like there was a "miscommunication" or that his camp was "looking at their options" or whatever. He came straight out right away (albeit via text) and said it was "B.S." Typically, at least from what I recall, most players who know they are guilty pussyfoot around the issue a bit (after testing positive - not a Barry Bonds situation where most think he did PED's but it was never proven) and don't come right out and say the results were total ****.
The most recent example of a star player being suspended for a banned substance in the MLB before Braun was Manny Ramirez.

Manny Ramirez, never ONCE claimed innocence. He was silent, and then apologized a week after the suspension was reported for the mistake he made.
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i'm not sure exactly. just print out all your posts and take them to a shrink
Let's make a wager. Minimum $1k, maximum, all you can eat.

I will print out anything you want of mine, and then go to any psychiatrist in the NYC area of YOUR choosing for a session (or a few if necessary). If the psychiatrist decides I'm mentally ill, you win, if not, I win.

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