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03-14-2015 , 08:14 PM

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That's fine. Please just keep all such posts here in the future is all I ask. Thanks.

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03-14-2015 , 08:54 PM

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That's fine. Please just keep all such posts here in the future is all I ask. Thanks.

Reading comprehension is a thing, bro. You've asked for more than I'm going to give you.

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03-14-2015 , 09:07 PM

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This will [strike]not[strike] end well.

Yeah, I don't like Philadelphia's chances either.

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03-14-2015 , 09:11 PM

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Reading comprehension is a thing, bro. You've asked for more than I'm going to give you.

I'm actually amused by your posts but I can't have you irritating regular posters all over with these long word bombs. So for both of our entertainment, this is your own personal Eagles playground, but none of the other threads are.

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03-14-2015 , 10:52 PM

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I'm actually amused by your posts but I can't have you irritating regular posters all over with these long word bombs. So for both of our entertainment, this is your own personal Eagles playground, but none of the other threads are.

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03-14-2015 , 11:14 PM

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The Chip Kelly System!

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03-14-2015 , 11:21 PM

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easiest 1 star thread i've ever seen

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03-14-2015 , 11:26 PM

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OP is starting to grow on me. I like his style.

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03-16-2015 , 05:42 PM

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03-16-2015 , 07:41 PM

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remember where you heard it. this is a great deal for st louis. if they weren't in the best division ever assembled, they'd take down some of the weaker divisions. getting bradfords 12mill of the books allows them to do some things (like bring in ayers). their front 7 is elite now. and if bradford sticks around philly they get a ****ing # two out of it.

i predict foles goes 24/10 and the rams contend for the playoffs. big coup in the draft if they get amari, although waynes would make a lot of sense too.

that's a pretty interesting choice. as solid a player as waynes rates to be, not sure how you can pass on amari, especially considering how hard up they are for playmakers in the passing game. in my opinion, they can be looking in no other direction.

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he's doing it in a stupid way. trading mccoy for a lesser player and not getting any picks, trading pretty comparable QB's and giving up too much, cutting elite WR's and getting nothing.

the demarco thing doesn't look smart. workhorse RB's fade quickly, as we all know. maybe him and matthews can chop it up a little and that will help. but what are we doing paying a non-feature back huge money?

and let's get real, he over-paid for maxwell. he's a nice player and all, but they paid him elite, shut-down corner money and he's just not that. he's a nice player though and he got thrown at a ton in seattle (which most people don't appreciate) and many times the other teams would put their best receiver on him to avoid sherman (many people think being in the legion increased his value). but that was a tough spot to be in and he performed at a high level.

not to say this can't all work out. i like bradford as a prospect (the first part of 13' he looked great). he could really thrive in this offense and this could work out, but it's highly unconventional.

teams rarely get to super bowls over-paying for free agents.

Best two posts ITT IMO.

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03-16-2015 , 07:43 PM

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The picks

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...n-report-says/

"The Eagles announced they are sending a fourth-round draft pick this year and a second-round choice next year to the Rams along with Foles, and receiving a fifth-round selection this year from the Rams along with Bradford, according to the Post’s Mark Maske. There were also reports that the Eagles potentially will receive a conditional pick next year from the Rams, either a third- or fourth-rounder, depending on Bradford’s playing time."

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03-16-2015 , 07:46 PM

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Do you know that they got Kiko Alonso back in the McCoy deal or were you about to look up the details of that trade as well?

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03-16-2015 , 07:55 PM

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03-16-2015 , 08:43 PM

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remember where you heard it. this is a great deal for st louis. if they weren't in the best division ever assembled, they'd take down some of the weaker divisions. getting bradfords 12mill of the books allows them to do some things (like bring in ayers). their front 7 is elite now. and If bradford sticks around philly they get a ****ing # two out of it.

i predict foles goes 24/10 and the rams contend for the playoffs. big coup in the draft if they get amari, although waynes would make a lot of sense too.

that's a pretty interesting choice. as solid a player as waynes rates to be, not sure how you can pass on amari, especially considering how hard up they are for playmakers in the passing game. in my opinion, they can be looking in no other direction.

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The picks

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...n-report-says/

"The Eagles announced they are sending a fourth-round draft pick this year and a second-round choice next year to the Rams along with Foles, and receiving a fifth-round selection this year from the Rams along with Bradford, according to the Post’s Mark Maske.

There were also reports that the Eagles potentially will receive a conditional pick next year from the Rams, either a third- or fourth-rounder, depending on Bradford’s playing time."

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Do you know that they got Kiko Alonso back in the McCoy deal or were you about to look up the details of that trade as well?

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03-16-2015 , 09:12 PM

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Lol is this guy serious?

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03-16-2015 , 09:43 PM

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Chip's track record in the NFL suggests he will be an okay coach at best; Chip's record at 20 - 12 during regular season games is deceptive. There is absolutely no evidence to support the claim the Chip is a winning coach in the NFL without Nick Foles as quarterback.

With Foles as the starting quarterback, Chip's record as coach makes him a .778 winner (14 - 4) over 18 games. This is a large enough sample by any standard to be reliable. On the other hand, Chip's record With Vick and Sanchez combined is a dismal (6 - 8), leaving this "revolutionary football genius" with a sub-par record at .429. Prior to Foles being the named the starter, Chip had at his disposal in Vick a quarterback who was once considered elite in Atlanta and in Philadelphia under Reid. There's no excuse for Kelly as to why he started at 1 - 3 in the NFL. Chip is lucky Vick pulled his hamstring in his own end zone against NY leaving Kelly no choice but to replace him with Foles. That game was being controlled by the Giants from the start, and it was written all over Chip's face. Things turned around after the QB change. Furthermore, after Nick Foles was injured, we witnessed Chip go from 9 - 3 with everything locked up to 10 - 6 with nail in the coffin losses to Dallas and Washington. Aaron Rogers expression against us, and Green Bay's coach's mid game coffee sipping sum up what I'm getting at. We all know that Mark Sanchez has been to an AFC Championship game and has roughly a .500 record. Back-up quarterback or not, Chip had plenty to work with in Sanchez. Mike Vick and Mark Sanchez each had the same players surrounding them as Nick Foles did and showed up with vastly different results. If you make the argument that the reason Nick has such an unbelievable record in the NFL as the starter is his teammates and coach, then in the same breath explain why Vick and Sanchez performed so poorly under the exact same set of circumstances.

As for Nick's losses. The defense let us down in the 2013 playoff game against the Saints, not the quarterback. Nick was clutch against Arizona, giving us the lead with no time on the clock only to have Palmer light up our secondary from the other side of the field. Palmer's bomb should never have been caught. If Arizona had put together a drive and beat us that's one thing. You tip your hat. But the secondary gives up a 90 yard play with a minute left.... Come on man! Against the 49'ers Nick drives us to the 1 yard line. During this drive "The mastermind coach" doesn't challenge a critical spot call and doesn't choose to run the ball or call a quarterback sneak with a 6'6", 245lbs QB. During the press conference Chip says, "the reason I didn't run the ball is the defensive line had been stuffing the run all day and I didn't think it would work". Good answer "genius"..... As coach at the 1 yard line with two plays to go and the game on the line, if you don't think you can pick up a yard with a run of one sort or another, you're not prepared.

Where did Nick let us down? His reduced QB rating? His turnovers? His personality? The only reasonable argument I've ever heard against Foles is he is prone to injury. QB rating will drop and turnovers will increase when the coach gives up a top 5 wide receiver in the league for nothing because that receiver is ?!?!?!. Still haven't heard a reasonable answer on that issue. And when you lose the receiver being doubled every other play, who puts fear into the safety's heart, the opposition doesn't have to worry much about the deep threat and focuses more on pressing. Jackson spread the field. Without him, windows were tightened and the defensive focused on stuffing the front line. I don't buy the argument that Nick was struggling because he was working with a make-shift offensive line. They did a decent enough job. Regardless of the QB rating and turnover increase, he was still producing prior to getting hurt and the losses he incurred against Arizona and San-Fran are heavily weighted towards the responsibility of pathetic final defensive stand against Arizona and extremely poor end of game coaching against the 49'ers.

As for the argument that Nick can't win a Super Bowl. How the **** do you know? The eye test? .778 in the NFL is a top tier record, especially for a young quarterback. Look it up. More importantly in tight spots with the game on the line (New Orleans, Arizona, SF), Nick has show he puts together a strong drives when it matters most. He defeated Luck's Indianapolis in a close contest. As for the lack of personality and leadership argument against Nick. So what? The guy doesn't say much and isn't everybody's pal on the sidelines. Besides local sports radio, who cares? On the field in the NFL, against the biggest, toughest, most skilled men on the planet, Nick has consistently shown that he can lead his team to W's.

Now, because of our "quarterback situation", (whatever the **** that means), it's time to trade Foles to move up the draft in the hopes of picking up a college kid who choked in his bowl game. All we hear is how this kid fits our offense so perfectly and his upside is unbelievable. Why didn't Vick or Sanchez fit the scheme? How is this kid so different from either of those two QB's, besides the fact that he's untested in the NFL. The guy isn't going to be a .778 winner in the NFL. One bowl game or not, when it's for all the marbles, your performance matters. He didn't show up. But hey, at least he has personality, is well spoken, and has swag. And most importantly, Chip "knows" him.

If Chip Kelly trades Foles to move up in the draft with the hopes of picking up a QB from the college team Chip had success at, that would be as dumb as cutting DeSean Jackson because ?!?!?, while simultaneously keeping and heaping praise on "Mr. Butterfingers" (a.k.a. Cooper), after Coop was videotaped saying some racist bull****, and whose performance on the field isn't anything to write home about. Yes chip, we know Riley Cooper is a good blocker.

As for the coach's decision to release Jackson an hour after a bogus article shows up in NJ.com making unfounded and speculative claims against Jackson. Chip can talk all day long, but he knows damn well that when you do that, the implication is that Jackson was involved of something that the Eagles couldn't afford to be a part of, and the media and fans had a field day tossing around all types of slanderish ****. It all turned out to be nonsensical hogwash and Chip's decision to release Jackson bit him in the ass against Washington, completely eliminating even the remote possibility for a playoff birth.

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I've given it some serious thought after considering other poster's points of view, I've changed my mind. Yeah, I'll man up. I was wrong. It's time to trade Nick Foles, Philadelphia! Whatever it takes to rebuild this franchise around one of the finest QB prospect's we've seen in quite some time, is what Chip should do. It's the first step in moving closer to a Super Bowl. You win a Super Bowl, with either a great defense and great QB, but not necessarily a great offense. Or, with a great QB, a great offense, and an average defense. There's no two ways around that. Look at the history of Super Bowl champions and time and time again those factors are the prerequisites to a title. The common denominator, with few exceptions, is having a great QB.

Nick is going to be a contributing starter somewhere in the NFL, but he isn't “the future” of the Eagles franchise. Look at the difference between his “rough” start in the NFL in 2012 - 2013, Nick's “lucky” results in 2013 - 2014, (McNabb discussed this point on ESPN before the 2013 - 2014 season started), and what happened in 2014 - 2015. This brings me to my next point. If you want to compete in the NFL as QB, you cannot get hurt as frequently as Nick does. It's not his fault, it's just that some players are more prone to injury than others.

Finally, Chip deserves all the credit in the world. You can talk all day about Reid's long term track record and his “surprising” resurgence in Kansas City, but you can't look me in the eyes and tell me that Reid didn't go 4 – 12 before getting booted. Sure Reid turned it around in KC, but it was time for him to go. Coach Kelly turned everything around in Philly. Mistakes happen, and hindsight is 20/20, but the results speak for themselves. Kelly's offense is a juggernaut. It keeps defenses on their heels and guessing. Managing the clock is an “old school” principle that isn't as applicable any more. The Eagles get off more offensive plays than any other team. Coach has everything dialed in, and he lives, breaths, eats, and sleeps football. From Protein Smoothies on the field, to keeping track of his players sleeping habits with electronic monitors, Kelly's “system” has revolutionized the game.

To quote Mike on the 97.5 The Fanatic (Philadelphia Sports Radio), "sticking with Foles would be like getting a 1% return on your investment.” I wouldn't go that far, but I would say all you are going to get with this QB is slightly better than inflationary rates, so in that sense, Mike M. nailed it! As usual.

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Donavon McNabb's commentary prior to the 2014 season. Prediction proven correct. Welcome to the NFL Foles. It adapts faster than you can imagine. There was a clear regression to the mean in 2014.

“The NFL was catching up to Nick.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcNb...cmJDmgVz56qsal

Chip “knows” and “loves” Mariota. He knows him better than any coach knows any other QB in the college system who is coming into the pros. Mariotta “fits” our system. He is a “a lock” for this Eagles offense, and I would love see how this “system,” and fast paced offense, would run with a “talent” like Mariota at the helm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrw2EpXtTeg

Mariota took home the Heisman and will be a top 10 draft pick. Foles was a third rounder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1jJvOcb_lk

Mariotta highlights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1_ueV9iMno

Mariota doesn't blow up after a big loss and is a “good” kid. Putting that aside, the bowl game was just that, a single game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfygUV_IOxw

While I like Foles and know he is a “good guy,” he doesn't have the “swagger” or “leadership presence,” to take The Eagles to a Championship. Anthony C on 94.1 discussed this “personality issue/problem,” on his early show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4mdukgpCcw

Bottom line is: It's time to move on from Philadelphia, Nick.

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Whether or not you believe the guy is a top 5 or top 15 is your perogative. Nonetheless, you're inadvertently backing up my point that he's a top WR.

I'll use bullets so Jake doesn't struggle with comprehension.

It was stupid to release Jackson in return for nothing.
Without Jackson, the offense was much worse off during the Eagles 2014 season.
Jackson's presence on the field spreads the defense.
With Jackson on the field (A) other WR's on his team, will generally speaking, be slightly more open (B) RB's on Jackson's team, will on average (I really hope Jake can figure out this one), improve their yards per carry, and (C) the team's QB's numbers will improve sightly because of points A and B.
Chip has never given a substanative answer as to why Jackson was released.
Jackson isn't the only guy in the NFL with something to prove, or, no pun intended, "a Chip on his shoulder," and the Eagles Organization should do a better job of managing egos. It takes all kinds. Seattle has plenty of different "personalities" on their team and they do alright. Off Topic: Not every team needs to be Duke.
Talking about an attitude problem while heaping praise on Cooper is hypocritcal.
Freeing up cap space is a lame ******* reason.
I don't believe Jackson produced a culture problem in the locker room. The man is a "good" guy. He had a tough life, and his so called mistake is hanging out with "wrong" people.
Jackson had the last laugh on twitter.

Now really focus Jake. Stay with me big guy.

Releasing him an hour after a report comes out on NJ.com that (IMO) commits libel (go read it), creates negative implications in the media, fan base, and general public. It was a low blow on Chip's part.
Jackson went on ESPN with Stephen A. Smith to defend himself against those implications.
Anonymous quotes are for cowards. If you're going to say something negative about the man, put your ****** name behind it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPeqZ4xYgdc

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03-16-2015 , 09:54 PM

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foles sucks

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the part where you said Chip cut Desean by accident because people said he was in a gang was my fav

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The reason the Eagles oline was better with Sanchez was because they got healthy along with lane Johnsons suspension.

The Eagles two biggest needs are cornerback and cornerback. Bradley fletcher was a ****ing nightmare and Williams wasn't much better.

Cutting desean and that bull**** story was hilarious.

Not realizing that chip is a top 10 coach is so shortsighted though. I am worried that the rails will come off with him running the draft though.

Here is my dream scenario. Mariota falls past the nets and 6 and tumbles to 10-15. The eagles give up their first and a second-third and draft Mariota with the possibility of developing into a great qb and keeping foles. Then signing Byron maxwell/ cull over and Devon mc from ne.

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yeah i can't believe that Chip went 5-4 with Sanchize at the helm this year
those losses to Seattle, Green Bay & Dallas were pretty inexcusable

what a loser
#FolesGOAT

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thanks i'll hang up and listen to your answer

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this guy is not splitting the atom any time soon

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In the 2007 season the Pats went 18-0 over 18 games. This is a large enough sample by any standard to be reliable.

So how did they lose the Superbowl?!!?

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One thing that always annoyed me is I could never get a Nick Foles Corinthian figurine

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I'm ashamed to share my Eagles fandom with this wingnut.

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Nick Foles

2013 27/2 TDs/INTs
2014 13/10

The NFL was catching up to Foles.

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gtfo with your new age hocus pocus statistics, everyone knows that in a team game small sample win % is the only true measure of individual skill.

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Going hard in the paint. Keeps missing layups but, still, going hard nonetheless.

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lol stats are for losers

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McCoy averaged nearly a full yard a carry less this season than last. Obviously sanchez is vastly inferior at handing the ball off than foles or vick.

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This is one of the worst threads in 2p2 history

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I cannot believe I missed this late term abortion of a thread. Very upset.

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FWIW both Michael Vick and Mark Sanchez outperformed any other season in their career in terms of Adjusted Yards per Attempt in their time playing for Kelly.

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I'm pretty convinced we are about to go all in on Marcus Mariota now.

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Same. Can't see it going any other way now. Sign a few stud FA's, draft Mariota.

Edit: Now I'm hearing Eagles are interested in signing Demarco Murray.

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Obviously, I haven't seen Chip with a war chest in free agency, but with everything the Eagles have been doing I would be flabbergasted if they signed Murray. Like my jaw would actually hit the floor, and I would go in a debilitated state.

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Chips got cap space now to sign dudes use the picks on mariota.

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Dumping the run game entirely due to Foles eliteness obviously, OP delivers

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Kelly treating the NFL offseason like it's Franchise Mode in Madden.

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chip getting rid of nearly his entire offense is pretty crazy. He's definitely super impatient. The massive blowup in his face potential makes it exciting either way.

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Greatest containment thread of all time.

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Yeah, if he were actually contained. He found the Eagles STSS and it's worse than iggy and traidsOC combined. First person I've ever put on ignore.

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Abstinence, please keep all Chip Kelly and Eagles-related posting in this thread. Thanks.

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That's fine. Please just keep all such posts here in the future is all I ask. Thanks.

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12-24-2015 , 03:36 AM

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was looking for something else, but this thread brought back a lot of good memories lol

(Nick Foles sucks)

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12-24-2015 , 01:56 PM

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Is this the guy who threatened to sue 2p2 when he got banned?

lol

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12-24-2015 , 02:30 PM

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Nick Foles sucks. Chip Kelly a true prophet.

Looks like giving up the 2nd for bradford was too much, but at least they took a shot on a possible top 10 qb.

Shady for Kiko still a good trade, too bad Kiko sucks now.

Murray was a lol bad signing.

Maxwell signing is still fine. He's a #1 cb in the 15-25 range nfl wise, and the previous 2 cbs they had have been cut or not played cwilliams/boykin.

Hicks was a mega hit. Rowe looks like a solid 2nd rounder. Algholor looks really bad, but he's been in a bad situation.

Overall C- first year as gm. I see the thought process in everything decision except ****ing Murray who is overpaid garbage.

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12-24-2015 , 08:30 PM

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lol possible top 10 QB

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12-25-2015 , 01:05 AM

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lol possible top 10 QB

yeah jesus christ

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12-25-2015 , 02:37 AM

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out of the 32 starting QBs, bradford and foles both might be outside the top 30

definitely outside top 25 for both

pretty amazing that bradford only has 6 seasons under his belt and already cashed 78 mil.