Rumors...Sign Nick Foles? Doug Pederson's A Genius?
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Chip's track record in the NFL suggests he will be an okay coach at best; Chip's record at 20 - 12 during regular season games is deceptive. There is absolutely no evidence to support the claim the Chip is a winning coach in the NFL without Nick Foles as quarterback.
With Foles as the starting quarterback, Chip's record as coach makes him a .778 winner (14 - 4) over 18 games. This is a large enough sample by any standard to be reliable. On the other hand, Chip's record With Vick and Sanchez combined is a dismal (6 - 8), leaving this "revolutionary football genius" with a sub-par record at .429. Prior to Foles being the named the starter, Chip had at his disposal in Vick a quarterback who was once considered elite in Atlanta and in Philadelphia under Reid. There's no excuse for Kelly as to why he started at 1 - 3 in the NFL. Chip is lucky Vick pulled his hamstring in his own end zone against NY leaving Kelly no choice but to replace him with Foles. That game was being controlled by the Giants from the start, and it was written all over Chip's face. Things turned around after the QB change. Furthermore, after Nick Foles was injured, we witnessed Chip go from 9 - 3 with everything locked up to 10 - 6 with nail in the coffin losses to Dallas and Washington. Aaron Rogers expression against us, and Green Bay's coach's mid game coffee sipping sum up what I'm getting at. We all know that Mark Sanchez has been to an AFC Championship game and has roughly a .500 record. Back-up quarterback or not, Chip had plenty to work with in Sanchez. Mike Vick and Mark Sanchez each had the same players surrounding them as Nick Foles did and showed up with vastly different results. If you make the argument that the reason Nick has such an unbelievable record in the NFL as the starter is his teammates and coach, then in the same breath explain why Vick and Sanchez performed so poorly under the exact same set of circumstances.
As for Nick's losses. The defense let us down in the 2013 playoff game against the Saints, not the quarterback. Nick was clutch against Arizona, giving us the lead with no time on the clock only to have Palmer light up our secondary from the other side of the field. Palmer's bomb should never have been caught. If Arizona had put together a drive and beat us that's one thing. You tip your hat. But the secondary gives up a 90 yard play with a minute left.... Come on man! Against the 49'ers Nick drives us to the 1 yard line. During this drive "The mastermind coach" doesn't challenge a critical spot call and doesn't choose to run the ball or call a quarterback sneak with a 6'6", 245lbs QB. During the press conference Chip says, "the reason I didn't run the ball is the defensive line had been stuffing the run all day and I didn't think it would work". Good answer "genius"..... As coach at the 1 yard line with two plays to go and the game on the line, if you don't think you can pick up a yard with a run of one sort or another, you're not prepared.
Where did Nick let us down? His reduced QB rating? His turnovers? His personality? The only reasonable argument I've ever heard against Foles is he is prone to injury. QB rating will drop and turnovers will increase when the coach gives up a top 5 wide receiver in the league for nothing because that receiver is ?!?!?!. Still haven't heard a reasonable answer on that issue. And when you lose the receiver being doubled every other play, who puts fear into the safety's heart, the opposition doesn't have to worry much about the deep threat and focuses more on pressing. Jackson spread the field. Without him, windows were tightened and the defensive focused on stuffing the front line. I don't buy the argument that Nick was struggling because he was working with a make-shift offensive line. They did a decent enough job. Regardless of the QB rating and turnover increase, he was still producing prior to getting hurt and the losses he incurred against Arizona and San-Fran are heavily weighted towards the responsibility of pathetic final defensive stand against Arizona and extremely poor end of game coaching against the 49'ers.
As for the argument that Nick can't win a Super Bowl. How the **** do you know? The eye test? .778 in the NFL is a top tier record, especially for a young quarterback. Look it up. More importantly in tight spots with the game on the line (New Orleans, Arizona, SF), Nick has show he puts together a strong drives when it matters most. He defeated Luck's Indianapolis in a close contest. As for the lack of personality and leadership argument against Nick. So what? The guy doesn't say much and isn't everybody's pal on the sidelines. Besides local sports radio, who cares? On the field in the NFL, against the biggest, toughest, most skilled men on the planet, Nick has consistently shown that he can lead his team to W's.
Now, because of our "quarterback situation", (whatever the **** that means), it's time to trade Foles to move up the draft in the hopes of picking up a college kid who choked in his bowl game. All we hear is how this kid fits our offense so perfectly and his upside is unbelievable. Why didn't Vick or Sanchez fit the scheme? How is this kid so different from either of those two QB's, besides the fact that he's untested in the NFL. The guy isn't going to be a .778 winner in the NFL. One bowl game or not, when it's for all the marbles, your performance matters. He didn't show up. But hey, at least he has personality, is well spoken, and has swag. And most importantly, Chip "knows" him.
If Chip Kelly trades Foles to move up in the draft with the hopes of picking up a QB from the college team Chip had success at, that would be as dumb as cutting DeSean Jackson because ?!?!?, while simultaneously keeping and heaping praise on "Mr. Butterfingers" (a.k.a. Cooper), after Coop was videotaped saying some racist bull****, and whose performance on the field isn't anything to write home about. Yes chip, we know Riley Cooper is a good blocker.
As for the coach's decision to release Jackson an hour after a bogus article shows up in NJ.com making unfounded and speculative claims against Jackson. Chip can talk all day long, but he knows damn well that when you do that, the implication is that Jackson was involved of something that the Eagles couldn't afford to be a part of, and the media and fans had a field day tossing around all types of slanderish ****. It all turned out to be nonsensical hogwash and Chip's decision to release Jackson bit him in the ass against Washington, completely eliminating even the remote possibility for a playoff birth.
With that said, do you think Chip is a good coach? Do you think Foles should be traded?
CaptainCrazo (Eric)
With Foles as the starting quarterback, Chip's record as coach makes him a .778 winner (14 - 4) over 18 games. This is a large enough sample by any standard to be reliable. On the other hand, Chip's record With Vick and Sanchez combined is a dismal (6 - 8), leaving this "revolutionary football genius" with a sub-par record at .429. Prior to Foles being the named the starter, Chip had at his disposal in Vick a quarterback who was once considered elite in Atlanta and in Philadelphia under Reid. There's no excuse for Kelly as to why he started at 1 - 3 in the NFL. Chip is lucky Vick pulled his hamstring in his own end zone against NY leaving Kelly no choice but to replace him with Foles. That game was being controlled by the Giants from the start, and it was written all over Chip's face. Things turned around after the QB change. Furthermore, after Nick Foles was injured, we witnessed Chip go from 9 - 3 with everything locked up to 10 - 6 with nail in the coffin losses to Dallas and Washington. Aaron Rogers expression against us, and Green Bay's coach's mid game coffee sipping sum up what I'm getting at. We all know that Mark Sanchez has been to an AFC Championship game and has roughly a .500 record. Back-up quarterback or not, Chip had plenty to work with in Sanchez. Mike Vick and Mark Sanchez each had the same players surrounding them as Nick Foles did and showed up with vastly different results. If you make the argument that the reason Nick has such an unbelievable record in the NFL as the starter is his teammates and coach, then in the same breath explain why Vick and Sanchez performed so poorly under the exact same set of circumstances.
As for Nick's losses. The defense let us down in the 2013 playoff game against the Saints, not the quarterback. Nick was clutch against Arizona, giving us the lead with no time on the clock only to have Palmer light up our secondary from the other side of the field. Palmer's bomb should never have been caught. If Arizona had put together a drive and beat us that's one thing. You tip your hat. But the secondary gives up a 90 yard play with a minute left.... Come on man! Against the 49'ers Nick drives us to the 1 yard line. During this drive "The mastermind coach" doesn't challenge a critical spot call and doesn't choose to run the ball or call a quarterback sneak with a 6'6", 245lbs QB. During the press conference Chip says, "the reason I didn't run the ball is the defensive line had been stuffing the run all day and I didn't think it would work". Good answer "genius"..... As coach at the 1 yard line with two plays to go and the game on the line, if you don't think you can pick up a yard with a run of one sort or another, you're not prepared.
Where did Nick let us down? His reduced QB rating? His turnovers? His personality? The only reasonable argument I've ever heard against Foles is he is prone to injury. QB rating will drop and turnovers will increase when the coach gives up a top 5 wide receiver in the league for nothing because that receiver is ?!?!?!. Still haven't heard a reasonable answer on that issue. And when you lose the receiver being doubled every other play, who puts fear into the safety's heart, the opposition doesn't have to worry much about the deep threat and focuses more on pressing. Jackson spread the field. Without him, windows were tightened and the defensive focused on stuffing the front line. I don't buy the argument that Nick was struggling because he was working with a make-shift offensive line. They did a decent enough job. Regardless of the QB rating and turnover increase, he was still producing prior to getting hurt and the losses he incurred against Arizona and San-Fran are heavily weighted towards the responsibility of pathetic final defensive stand against Arizona and extremely poor end of game coaching against the 49'ers.
As for the argument that Nick can't win a Super Bowl. How the **** do you know? The eye test? .778 in the NFL is a top tier record, especially for a young quarterback. Look it up. More importantly in tight spots with the game on the line (New Orleans, Arizona, SF), Nick has show he puts together a strong drives when it matters most. He defeated Luck's Indianapolis in a close contest. As for the lack of personality and leadership argument against Nick. So what? The guy doesn't say much and isn't everybody's pal on the sidelines. Besides local sports radio, who cares? On the field in the NFL, against the biggest, toughest, most skilled men on the planet, Nick has consistently shown that he can lead his team to W's.
Now, because of our "quarterback situation", (whatever the **** that means), it's time to trade Foles to move up the draft in the hopes of picking up a college kid who choked in his bowl game. All we hear is how this kid fits our offense so perfectly and his upside is unbelievable. Why didn't Vick or Sanchez fit the scheme? How is this kid so different from either of those two QB's, besides the fact that he's untested in the NFL. The guy isn't going to be a .778 winner in the NFL. One bowl game or not, when it's for all the marbles, your performance matters. He didn't show up. But hey, at least he has personality, is well spoken, and has swag. And most importantly, Chip "knows" him.
If Chip Kelly trades Foles to move up in the draft with the hopes of picking up a QB from the college team Chip had success at, that would be as dumb as cutting DeSean Jackson because ?!?!?, while simultaneously keeping and heaping praise on "Mr. Butterfingers" (a.k.a. Cooper), after Coop was videotaped saying some racist bull****, and whose performance on the field isn't anything to write home about. Yes chip, we know Riley Cooper is a good blocker.
As for the coach's decision to release Jackson an hour after a bogus article shows up in NJ.com making unfounded and speculative claims against Jackson. Chip can talk all day long, but he knows damn well that when you do that, the implication is that Jackson was involved of something that the Eagles couldn't afford to be a part of, and the media and fans had a field day tossing around all types of slanderish ****. It all turned out to be nonsensical hogwash and Chip's decision to release Jackson bit him in the ass against Washington, completely eliminating even the remote possibility for a playoff birth.
With that said, do you think Chip is a good coach? Do you think Foles should be traded?
CaptainCrazo (Eric)
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I've given it some serious thought after considering other poster's points of view, I've changed my mind. Yeah, I'll man up. I was wrong. It's time to trade Nick Foles, Philadelphia! Whatever it takes to rebuild this franchise around one of the finest QB prospect's we've seen in quite some time, is what Chip should do. It's the first step in moving closer to a Super Bowl. You win a Super Bowl, with either a great defense and great QB, but not necessarily a great offense. Or, with a great QB, a great offense, and an average defense. There's no two ways around that. Look at the history of Super Bowl champions and time and time again those factors are the prerequisites to a title. The common denominator, with few exceptions, is having a great QB.
Nick is going to be a contributing starter somewhere in the NFL, but he isn't “the future” of the Eagles franchise. Look at the difference between his “rough” start in the NFL in 2012 - 2013, Nick's “lucky” results in 2013 - 2014, (McNabb discussed this point on ESPN before the 2013 - 2014 season started), and what happened in 2014 - 2015. This brings me to my next point. If you want to compete in the NFL as QB, you cannot get hurt as frequently as Nick does. It's not his fault, it's just that some players are more prone to injury than others.
Finally, Chip deserves all the credit in the world. You can talk all day about Reid's long term track record and his “surprising” resurgence in Kansas City, but you can't look me in the eyes and tell me that Reid didn't go 4 – 12 before getting booted. Sure Reid turned it around in KC, but it was time for him to go. Coach Kelly turned everything around in Philly. Mistakes happen, and hindsight is 20/20, but the results speak for themselves. Kelly's offense is a juggernaut. It keeps defenses on their heels and guessing. Managing the clock is an “old school” principle that isn't as applicable any more. The Eagles get off more offensive plays than any other team. Coach has everything dialed in, and he lives, breaths, eats, and sleeps football. From Protein Smoothies on the field, to keeping track of his players sleeping habits with electronic monitors, Kelly's “system” has revolutionized the game.
To quote Mike on the 97.5 The Fanatic (Philadelphia Sports Radio), "sticking with Foles would be like getting a 1% return on your investment.” I wouldn't go that far, but I would say all you are going to get with this QB is slightly better than inflationary rates, so in that sense, Mike M. nailed it! As usual.
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Donavon McNabb's commentary prior to the 2014 season. Prediction proven correct. Welcome to the NFL Foles. It adapts faster than you can imagine. There was a clear regression to the mean in 2014.
“The NFL was catching up to Nick.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcNb...cmJDmgVz56qsal
Chip “knows” and “loves” Mariota. He knows him better than any coach knows any other QB in the college system who is coming into the pros. Mariotta “fits” our system. He is a “a lock” for this Eagles offense, and I would love see how this “system,” and fast paced offense, would run with a “talent” like Mariota at the helm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrw2EpXtTeg
Mariota took home the Heisman and will be a top 10 draft pick. Foles was a third rounder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1jJvOcb_lk
Mariotta highlights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1_ueV9iMno
Mariota doesn't blow up after a big loss and is a “good” kid. Putting that aside, the bowl game was just that, a single game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfygUV_IOxw
While I like Foles and know he is a “good guy,” he doesn't have the “swagger” or “leadership presence,” to take The Eagles to a Championship. Anthony C on 94.1 discussed this “personality issue/problem,” on his early show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4mdukgpCcw
Bottom line is: It's time to move on from Philadelphia, Nick.
Nick is going to be a contributing starter somewhere in the NFL, but he isn't “the future” of the Eagles franchise. Look at the difference between his “rough” start in the NFL in 2012 - 2013, Nick's “lucky” results in 2013 - 2014, (McNabb discussed this point on ESPN before the 2013 - 2014 season started), and what happened in 2014 - 2015. This brings me to my next point. If you want to compete in the NFL as QB, you cannot get hurt as frequently as Nick does. It's not his fault, it's just that some players are more prone to injury than others.
Finally, Chip deserves all the credit in the world. You can talk all day about Reid's long term track record and his “surprising” resurgence in Kansas City, but you can't look me in the eyes and tell me that Reid didn't go 4 – 12 before getting booted. Sure Reid turned it around in KC, but it was time for him to go. Coach Kelly turned everything around in Philly. Mistakes happen, and hindsight is 20/20, but the results speak for themselves. Kelly's offense is a juggernaut. It keeps defenses on their heels and guessing. Managing the clock is an “old school” principle that isn't as applicable any more. The Eagles get off more offensive plays than any other team. Coach has everything dialed in, and he lives, breaths, eats, and sleeps football. From Protein Smoothies on the field, to keeping track of his players sleeping habits with electronic monitors, Kelly's “system” has revolutionized the game.
To quote Mike on the 97.5 The Fanatic (Philadelphia Sports Radio), "sticking with Foles would be like getting a 1% return on your investment.” I wouldn't go that far, but I would say all you are going to get with this QB is slightly better than inflationary rates, so in that sense, Mike M. nailed it! As usual.
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Donavon McNabb's commentary prior to the 2014 season. Prediction proven correct. Welcome to the NFL Foles. It adapts faster than you can imagine. There was a clear regression to the mean in 2014.
“The NFL was catching up to Nick.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcNb...cmJDmgVz56qsal
Chip “knows” and “loves” Mariota. He knows him better than any coach knows any other QB in the college system who is coming into the pros. Mariotta “fits” our system. He is a “a lock” for this Eagles offense, and I would love see how this “system,” and fast paced offense, would run with a “talent” like Mariota at the helm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrw2EpXtTeg
Mariota took home the Heisman and will be a top 10 draft pick. Foles was a third rounder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1jJvOcb_lk
Mariotta highlights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1_ueV9iMno
Mariota doesn't blow up after a big loss and is a “good” kid. Putting that aside, the bowl game was just that, a single game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfygUV_IOxw
While I like Foles and know he is a “good guy,” he doesn't have the “swagger” or “leadership presence,” to take The Eagles to a Championship. Anthony C on 94.1 discussed this “personality issue/problem,” on his early show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4mdukgpCcw
Bottom line is: It's time to move on from Philadelphia, Nick.
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