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How is going up two scores the model case? The Fowler one was far worse because his TD only put them up one score. KC had nearly three minutes to go length if field with the 2:00 warning to stop clock.

The success rate of an onside kick in the NFL is about 20%. So you factor in that plus the odds of going the length of the field once plus about half of it again (after recovering onside), those odds are much lower than a singular TD + 2PC combo.

As far as being prepared for that scenario, I wonder what a Belichick coached team would do in that spot. Since it can happen and can be the difference in a game, of which wins are at a premium you have to have your guys ready. Improper clock management costs teams in the NFL countless games each season.

What is the success rate for scoring without the ball though? It's somewhere around 0.

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What is the success rate for scoring without the ball though? It's somewhere around 0.

Its actually a lot higher than 0

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What is the success rate for scoring without the ball though? It's somewhere around 0.

Bratzzzzzzzzzzz.

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Colorado kicked a FG on 4th and G from 5 trailing 31-7

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12-03-2016 , 04:44 PM

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Mike gundy:

- punted on 4th and 1 from the Oklahoma 45
- kicked a fg from the 2
- after a kickoff to the 50 and with one timeout and 18 seconds on the clock before halftime, ran the ball once (gaining five yards and moving the ball to the Oklahoma 45) and went to the locker room
- in the 4th quarter and with his team down 11, took a timeout AFTER A CHALLENGE to decide what play to call on 4th and inches
- called a draw on 3rd and 10 to set up his kicker from 40 instead of going for it on 4th and 2 when down 11.

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Gundy was ungodly bad today. Literally no defense for any of those decisions, especially given they were 12 point dogs

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Sounds like one of the worst coached games of the year. It would be hard to beat that.

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The interesting question is which of those decisions is the worst. I vote for 18 seconds before halftime. As bad as the others are, you know there are a bunch of coaches with that same "logic blindness". I don't know of a coach that wouldn't try and get points from midfield with 18 seconds left. Even terrible coaches would at least attempt a hail mary.

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Raiders score a TD to trail 22-24, final minute 3rd quarter. Del Rio sends out the kicking team. Announcers: "Yep, TOO EARLY to go for 2 here".

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hey, that way if they score a safety later they take the lead!

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don't want to give up a pick-2 and risk not even being within a fg

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Arians went for it 4th and 1 at their own 34 up 1 with 3:50 left, almost shed a tear

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Chris Petersen ran the ball once and went to halftime on Friday. They're all the same

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Had to look it up to confirm. Even worse, he punted. Just LOL for passing up a freeroll on a hail mary for a reverse freeroll by punting.

3rd and 1 at COLO 49
(0:46 - 2nd) Lavon Coleman run for no gain to the Colo 49
(0:04 - 2nd) Timeout WASHINGTON, clock 00:04
4th and 1 at COLO 49
(0:00 - 2nd) Tristan Vizcaino punt for 31 yds, punt out-of-bounds at the Colo 18
End of 2nd Quarter

OKST17OKLA17
(0:27 - 2nd) Austin Seibert kickoff for 64 yds , Barry Sanders return for 49 yds to the 50 yard line
1st and 10 at 50
(0:07 - 2nd) Chris Carson run for 5 yds to the Okla 45
End of 2nd Quarter

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Arians went for it 4th and 1 at their own 34 up 1 with 3:50 left, almost shed a tear

Is that the right decision when you are up by a point?

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i will assume ron rivera did something stupid last night

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Is that the right decision when you are up by a point?

Honestly I'm not 100% sure but I love the boldness. Feels right, not as clear cut as Belicheck and 4th and 2 but I think it's correct.

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Is that the right decision when you are up by a point?

The way both teams were moving the ball, I would say it was.

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Is that the right decision when you are up by a point?

Yes. since NFL kickers can make FG from 60 yards, all the other team has to do is to get to the 40 yard line. That's only 50-60 yards based on the punt.

With almost 4 minutes to get it.

Clear spot to go for it

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Yes. since NFL kickers can make FG from 60 yards, all the other team has to do is to get to the 40 yard line. That's only 50-60 yards based on the punt.

With almost 4 minutes to get it.

Clear spot to go for it

Dustin Hopkins, the Redskins kicker, made a season-long 53 yard kick yesterday.

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I loved that decision however not so sure about the deep bomb.
why give skins the ball back with that much time and a chance to tie?

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I loved that decision however not so sure about the deep bomb.
why give skins the ball back with that much time and a chance to tie?

Cover for the boosters.

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Dustin Hopkins, the Redskins kicker, made a season-long 53 yard kick yesterday.

loss of field position / the downside of missing are huge factors why coaches don't attempt longer field goals. what kickers are "capable of in an end game scenario" is not well shown by the kicks that coaches decide to kick at all other times

we had almost the same discussion in the Broncos/Chiefs game. coaches (correctly) are almost never gonna send out the field goal kicker in the 3rd quarter to try a 60 yard field goal, but many NFL kickers are still very live (30% ish) to make that kick

said another way: go look at Hopkins season long high of 53 here. it would have been good from a much longer distance. maybe even 60!

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i will assume ron rivera did something stupid last night

I dunno, is wearing a tie worth 3 points in the NFL these days? Have to check the charts.

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I loved that decision however not so sure about the deep bomb.
why give skins the ball back with that much time and a chance to tie?

This shouldn't be what is being looked at. What should be looked at is Gruden calling a timeout with 2:02 left allowing the Cardinals to run a passing play instead of having to run the ball.

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