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Just look at the Catholic church, pretty great comparison here. All kinds of rationalizing and covering up happens. It's human nature. "None of my business" after you did the minimum (report to higher up) is standard. Or like not helping people in the street. These things are studied, whatever you think happens or you would do is just not the case.

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11-06-2011 , 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Quicksilvre

Sounds like what he did is enough to absolve him from legal responsibility, though it is obvious he made a gross moral mistake.

Wonder if he would have made the same mistake if it was his grandson being raped.

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11-06-2011 , 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Borgland

Wonder if he would have made the same mistake if it was his grandson being raped.

or if it was Rape raping his grandson

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11-06-2011 , 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tumaterminator

yeah gingers are genetic mistakes give him a break

can someone tell me why joepa isn't a suspect with his cronies?

I'm telling you, this guy is protected from on high by the Prince of Darkness.

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11-06-2011 , 10:11 PM

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what I want to know is how his wife didn't know or report anything? obviously something is up when your husband gets up in the middle of the night and heads to the basement where a young boy is sleeping.

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11-06-2011 , 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Aytumious

How is calling the police here a tough decision? All the arguments I've seen taking such a stance have been ridiculous so far.

I'm not going to say I'd have tackled the guy and tied him up until the cops showed up, but I sure as hell am not going to let him get away with it without calling the police.

There is no dilemma here. You call the ****ing police when you witness a kid getting raped.

He did something, in his mind that likely means it is no longer his problem. If he witnessed this and then did absolutely nothing at all, which a decent % of people would in fact do, I'd be pretty outraged. The higher ups failed much more than he did ainec.

Why didn't the kids parents go to the police ffs? If that doesn't make my point I dunno what does... people blame the rape-ee all the time for being in the situation.

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11-06-2011 , 10:12 PM

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or if it was Rape raping his rape

FYRAPE

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11-06-2011 , 10:12 PM

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Yeah I just don't see how you dont immediately call the cops. This is in 2002 right? Everyone has a cell phone at this point or no? I might stop staring at the rape but I am 100% grabbing my cell and dialing 911 as I stand there. I wouldn't start beating him I don't think but I am for sure as hell not leaving or letting him leave until the cops get there.

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11-06-2011 , 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by botulism

that's the least of the mysteries. controlling powerful sociopathic man keeps they women in check.

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11-06-2011 , 10:13 PM

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This.

Whole lotta moral equivalency itt.

There was a pretty drastic hierarchy of wrong here.

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11-06-2011 , 10:15 PM

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No he didn't. Simmer down.

that was meant to calm me down?

i talked to needle already both here and via pm, and you saw that.

****ing 'simmer down'. okay bro.

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11-06-2011 , 10:16 PM

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He did something, in his mind that likely means it is no longer his problem. If he witnessed this and then did absolutely nothing at all, which a decent % of people would in fact do, I'd be pretty outraged. The higher ups failed much more than he did ainec.

Why didn't the kids parents go to the police ffs? If that doesn't make my point I dunno what does...

One thing about the GA, however inadequate his response and follow-up may have been-- his is the only version that seems the least bit credible.

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11-06-2011 , 10:16 PM

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I was under the impression that the woman in 98 did. What other parents are you referring to?

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11-06-2011 , 10:19 PM

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that was meant to calm me down?

i talked to needle already both here and via pm, and you saw that.

****ing 'simmer down'. okay bro.

Not necessarily; posts have been hitting this thread pretty hardcore since Saturday afternoon.

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11-06-2011 , 10:20 PM

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Yeah. The idea that he said something vague like "I saw something inappropriate" isn't plausible.

This kind of post-facto mind reading is really dumb.

Seems more likely that that's what happened than Joe Pa decided to tell an easily contested lie, throwing a current coach under a bus, in a statement that was going to receive a ton of scrutiny.

Sure- there's a nonzero chance that's the case- but to suggest another situation is implausible is flatly stupid.

I mean pretending we can predict human nature with any accuracy when's the one unquestionable thing here seems to be that a guy was cornholing 10 year olds is just WFT. People don't make sense.

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11-06-2011 , 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AtThe Aquarium

This.

Whole lotta moral equivalency itt.

There was a pretty drastic hierarchy of wrong here.

Yes a gaggle of ****heads here, but of all the people who did wrong, only one of them actually looked into a 10 year old boy's eyes as he was being raped, then got the vapors and left.

How you don't remember that look one, two, or four years later when you see the same pedophile escorting a child to a practice, is beyond me.

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11-06-2011 , 10:22 PM

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No way the GA didn't tell Paterno what he saw. NO FREAKIN WAY.

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Yeah. The idea that he said something vague like "I saw something inappropriate" isn't plausible.

GA: I saw Coach Sandusky engaging in anal sex with a child.
Paterno (to self): I don't know wtf that means, but it sounds like something inappropriate imo.

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11-06-2011 , 10:23 PM

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If the higher ups actually did their job as opposed to keeping quiet, like immediately reporting to the authorities, no one would be coming down on the GA. Who the **** knows what he thought later... out of sight out of mind. His failure is miniscule compared to the rest. That's a sorry ass state of affairs to be sure but is completely true.

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Please stop saying he did nothing, it's just not true.

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11-06-2011 , 10:26 PM

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So you believe that the GA said he saw inappropriate conduct and Paterno took the matter to the AD without ever finding out what the "inappropriate conduct" was?

If I've read you right, then I'm surprised. I don't want to believe Joe-Pa is lying, I'm not invested in him either way-- It's simply hard for me to understand what he's saying occurred.

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11-06-2011 , 10:26 PM

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Just finished reading the report. What happened is sickening.
It is astonishing that the school didn't report it when Sandusky had a history. Sandusky had been investigated in 1998 after he showered with a kid (one of many in the grand jury report) and the mother found out. There was an investigation by the university police, but it didn't go further.

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11-06-2011 , 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by IlliniLou

i'd be embarrassed to be a student at Penn St. right now to know nothing has been done

As an alum Penn State's actions in handling this situation have been shocking and embarrassing. The statement Spanier put out "supporting his employees" and making no mention of the victims is awful.

Apparently the BOT is meeting now (according to the link below). Heads better roll immediately.

http://twitter.com/#!/SCNewsDesk/status/133350484550496256

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11-06-2011 , 10:29 PM

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Dids, it's not "really dumb" it's common sense to me. The GA saw what he saw and went to report it to Paterno. You really don't think one of the first the first things out of Joe Pa's mouth was "Tell me what happened?". You really think that Paterno sent the kid to the Athletic Director after hearing some vague accusation without hearing specifics? That seems farfetched to me.

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11-06-2011 , 10:30 PM

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I'm wondering if the vulnerability of the endowment to lawsuit is the first order of business or the second.

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11-06-2011 , 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by shemp

If the GA only reported it as vague inappropriate conduct then things are much different... is there any kind of record for this or is it he said he said? Why would he report anything at all if not saying he witnessed sexual assault? Seems more likely to me that he would not report rather than under report to this extent.

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11-06-2011 , 10:31 PM

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I can easily see Joe snap passing on a complaint phrased that way to the people he believed to be responsible for following up on that sort of situation. He's a head college football coach and may not feel like the actions of a guy he pushed out years ago were something with which he should concern himself.

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