I think JoePa should execute the "Uncle Leo" the next time he does an interview:



What? I'm an old man, I get confused! Who am I?

I'm going to withhold judgment until the book comes out. Obviously if JoePos slams JoePa right now, JoePa shuts down and the book is potentially a lot less interesting. If the book is still mostly a puff piece with the same treatment of the sordid stuff at the end that Pos has been giving in his blog posts, I'm going to lose a ton of respect for him.

Why dont you actually participate in the discussion instead of trolling.

My friend has hated JoePa with an unbridled irrational passion since we were kids in the early 80s. Needless to say he's feeling pretty vindicated right now.

He's 100% sure JoePa was diddling boys too. But I think that's just more of the irrational hatred.

That image cracks me up every single time.

It's a crazy situation when actual pedos are ranked below non-pedos in a pedo power rankings!

just lol

V - lol, right? I almost didn't correct her.

In the 70s they'd play Rutgers 10 times, go 9-1, and he'd whine about how they weren't considered for the national title. Kind of like a Boise but add in a coach with entitlement disease. Anyway, they've obviously been playing plenty of genuine big time football since then. Wish I could come up with something snotty to say about Notre Dame to cap off this pointless post, but there it is.

i think they all were. joe paterno, penn state, etc, was all originally put together for a massive pedophilia ring. sandusky was in on the ground floor, but he ended up being the one with the problem of exhibitionism and got everyone in hot water. if they bust him in 2002 and other years then the entire operation fails. seriously. psu = pedo ring. it sucks, and it involves a first ballet hall of pedophilia famer, and all the perpetratrs should burn. bring up torture punishmens, put secret hits on them, hire assassisns off the deep web, buy shrooms off the deep web, whatever. they should have to face the public. getting stabbed to death in prison will not be as painful as going city to city to feel the wrath of mobs of people who care about safety, general well-being, being nice to to others, raping our youth in only monetary terms, and so on.

i assume it will go like this -> sandusky chillin at home for a month before the trial. trial takes like 6 months at least. jerrys under house arrest. verdict comes, life in prison. he gets sentenced, says his farewells, and gets beaten with a mallet or something else hardcore. he should at LEAST get the chair or public hanging, something of the nature.

Something about McCreary. I thought I read somewhere that because he was a Grad Assistant he might not have technically been an employee of Penn State.He was given a stipend, not a salary. So if he wasn't an employee at the timehow can they fire him now?

You know when the new coach comes in he is gone so they figure just wait a bit and avoid a lawsuit from him. You know he is never getting a job in college football again and I imagine he could prove Penn States action hurt him. Just a thought.

John Stewart on the riots.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/th...xrs=share_copy

Do you think it's possible for a big-time football program to develop a decades-long tradition of excellence and NOT end up "above the law"? I think probably not. So, what then? Term limits?

Re: McQueary not being fired.

I think it's safe to assume that Penn State BoT would prefer to fire McQueary but there is some reason they can not and it has to do with legal exposure/liability.

I sort of doubt that it's related to his employment contract - as they had no fear of repercussion from Spanier (who they spoke to before firing him and getting his assurance he wouldn't sue) and Paterno - I'm sure their employment contracts are iron clad and much stronger vs. McQueary's.

I think the logical thing to assume is that McQueary is not being fired due to legal issues around the investigation.

Anyway while understanding people are worked up McQueary is still on the staff - ultimately it makes no difference as it's obvious he will be gone at the latest after the season ends, and never coach another CFB game in his lifetime.

in the 80s the osu faculty voted to decline a bowl game invite bc they felt that football was taking precedence over academics and compromising the identity of the university.

Wow. That is kick-ass imo.

That....and the tattoo convention was in town.

No way dude. Schultz was there in 98 and 02. He absolutely knew Sandusky was doing terrible things to kids on an ongoing basis and did absolutely nothing but cover it up. He's horribly guilty imo. Ginger had legit reason to be scared of all kinds of things, even say being falsely accused of being the molester himself by crony cops.

That's sort of an odd question, imo. It's not like there is something inherently evil about big-time college football programs.

If you're asking something like "does absolute power corrupt absolutely?" I mean of course, this has been proven over time in many institutions.

It starts with the leadership, so the first element of variance is around who's in charge of the institution.

If you feel that even a moral leader can't prevent corruption, than it's about institutional checks and balances (term limits, administration oversight etc), which don't really work in practice when there is too much power concentrated in certain parts of the institution.

Hm - so I guess my answer to your question is it depends and there's only so much one can really do to control for these abuses of power - just human nature imo.

Nootka posted the PA whistleblower statute statute somewhere upthread. McQueary is unquestionably a "whistleblower" as defined by that statute. If he is fired, he will sue and he will talk about exactly who knew what and when.

As someone else already pointed out, their desired course of action is most likely a buyout; it's just going to be a question of for how much. As you (correctly, imo) point out, his coaching career is for all intents and purposes finished.

Notre Dame has turned down multiple bowl games for all kinds of reasons in their history.

it was 61, that never happens in the 80s

Right, I remember Nootka posted that a "whistleblower" in PA as defined as someone who reports criminal activity to a superior (so for the 2002 incident, to Paterno) or to another authority (so in 2008, his GJ testimony). Meaning McQueary is well protected under a whistleblower statute.

Not trying to give the Penn State BoT undue credit here - but they did actually fire the President and Joe Paterno. Which were probably not easy decisions. The fact an assistant coach who is the key witness in an on-going criminal investigation is still hanging around is likely not because the BoT has some nefarious agenda and dropped the ball on doing the "right thing".

actually it was in 1962. faculty voted to turn down a rose bowl bid. students behaved as you would expect.

+1 on the whistleblower statute but doubt there is a reason for a buyout. Most coaches have a year contract and when they hire a new coach it is pretty standard for him to hire an all new staff. Doubt they even discuss a buyout, just get rid of the entire staff and move on at the end of the year.