yea, well thats life in prison for the worst type of people type conviction if thats the case. anyone that does this should not be allowed to live a life in society. but I could say "hey, tumaterinator raped my 3 year old daughter a month ago" and now you have an allegation against you for one of the worst crimes that can be committed. no matter how few facts there are many people would hate you just because I said this. thats what is ****ed up about speculation before the courts get involved imo.

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TEXAS IS SOOOO AWESOME AT ACADEMICS BUT ALL THEIR FANS THAT POAST ON INTARWEBS ARE ****ING ******S

COINCIDENCE? YOU BE THE JUDGE.

A graduate student(presumably intelligent) witnessed a 10 year old boy being raped in a shower in the locker room.

He decided to report this heinous crime to a football coach instead of the police.

The football coach, knowing the graduate student had not yet called the police, decides to forward the information to his boss instead of calling the police himself.

The football coach's boss decides to report the rape to the charity organization in which the rapist is the founder/leader.

Not one of these college educated men thought that the logical thing to do was to call the police?

Hey man. I saw your daughter getting anally raped the other day but don't worry, I told coach and he told his boss so it's taken care of, ok?

Doesn't work huh?

Those are just allegations pvn.

I'll have my day in court.

Innocent until proven guilty is a great idea in a legal setting.

But for us, I think the assumption of guilt when there's been a prolonged investigation and people in high places charged with very serious crimes is pretty reasonable. Seem like a given that even if the charges of abuse prove to be wrong, they still weren't handled in an appropriate fashion. Is the counter argument that they did go to the cops and the cops are lying?

The PDF that LLoyd linked says that Sanduskys actions were reported to law enforcment but doesn't give a date.It appears to be around 2008. I am really curious to see what the resolution was back then because it seems there was another child that could testify to Sandusky touching the kids leg and doing other flaky things. The more I read about this the more I get the feeling that a ton of people are going to be in deep ****.

literally the only people I dislike in society are criminals and people that commit crimes with victims are the worst. when the victims are children it is more or less unforgivable, but you gotta let people tell their side. any crime has three sides of the story and none of them are completely true. this is supposed to be amurica. innocent until proven guilty. if theyre guilty then life in prison no parole. no doubt, not close, no second chances. the problem is that these allegations can come from nowhere and any of us could be the subject of the same allegations (without basis, which I am not saying this case is without base) if a group of people decided to persecute one of us.

yeah, i dont know when the charges were brought, grand jury, etc. i feel like most crimes are pretty hush though?

public figures + the worst crimes you can possibly commit need a boatload of credibility don't they?

Yeah you don't know what the word persecute means.

Hopefully you're just black out drunk, or trololololing.

Reading what the Pennsylvania AG has said about Paterno's supposed cooperation, it definitely smells like they're sucking up to the living legend here. Any decent human being would have followed up further than he did.


Duh?


Good (and disgusting) quote there. But note that the brief article seems to misstate the law: the statute cited in the grand jury report requires only the head of the school or program (unlcear whether the AD definitely qualifies; could be only the university president) to report it to the policy. There's no clear indication that Paterno violated the law, just human decency and standards of reasonable judgment.


Atakpup and I rode that this summer. I didn't think it was all that great, but 'pup loved it.

The PDF says the Grad student went to drop off sneakers and pick up tape. I am assuming he was reviewing football tape, otherwise why would he call Paterno.

Have you read the relevant materials or is this simply you enlightening people about legal theory?

I'm pretty sure Spanier realizes that his fate is tied to Curley's fate. He was the one who ultimately signed off on Sandusky's "punishment".

The whole situation is despicable and the Board of Trustees needs to clean house immediately. They've apparently called a special meeting for tomorrow to discuss the situation. Joe's weekly press conference should be more of a **** show than it usually is. He deserves to be called to the carpet here although I'm sure he'll mumble some BS and move on.

i mean, im trying to envision a scared/shaking student approaching joe****ingpaterno in his library abotu this. really hard to see him saying "i saw your assistant (another psu legend) ****ing a 12 year old" - or w/e words would specifically entail. he probably shy'd up a bit and said something innocuous and joe reflexively shrugged it off.

this is why you have to go to the cops. going to the source, here, would be incredibly hard for anyone to do. the kids dad is one of the biggest jerks in all of this and is kind of shadowed.

oh man im so old the last time i hit up cedar point magnum was still goat. raptor 2nd goat ofc.

i can just picture JoePa

"well ya know he did some stuff with some little boys and what you gonna do? you'll write whatever you want, I'm outta here"

or how about, ya kno, actually stopping the rape. i mean, its a 60+ yr old naked dude, surely he coulda put a stop to it.

Kind of grunching here, but it's important to note that it's not a graduate student, it's a 28 year old graduate assistant. Definitely not just some random kid washing jerseys, it's a member of the PSU football staff.

yea, I probably did use it incorrectly. I am blackout drunk, but I dont believe in excuses and anything I say should be used against me in future arguments even if I contradict myself. I still think that I believe everything I said. I will reread tomorrow and see if I take back my thoughts which is doubtful. I tend to take "innocent until proven guilty" to the very extreme and support those who have any legal defense at all. It is likely sufficient enough to be considered a major personality flaw by most, but it is who I am. I am a staunch defender of Bonds and to a lesser degree OJ so take that for what it is. I am sure many will call me a bad person for this stance, but just because I defend those with any legal case does not make me like them. In fact, I detest them as people, but still feel like they should be defended based on the way the law is written.

I would support the laws being rewritten in a much stricter manner, but as they are you, unfortunately, have to give more leeway than most citizens would like.

I have read the espn article and a page of this thread and thats all. However, no one is saying that this guy could be innocent. This might be a correct view as its quite likely he is guilty, but it also seems troubling. Everyone is entitled their opinion, and mine is uninformed and thus nonexistent at this point, but I dont see why people feel the need to speculate or talk about it before the case goes to court. I think I'm unique, but I hate society convicting people outside of court.

Good point. The terrible decisions (not including the obvious one) start right there. Thinking of it as "Oh my gosh whom am I going to tell?" rather than "What the **** are you doing stop that right now and I'm calling the police!" is awful.

When you're at your "job" you still have the job of being an adult, which in instances like these, supersedes those listed in your job description. The allegation is serious enough here where passing it on to your boss then moving on with your life isn't exactly being a dude with the highest of morals. And that's putting it lightly.

I mean FFS, put yourself in the kid's shoes. He's standing there thinking "boy I hope it states in their job description that they are supposed to call the cops about this and not just the Athletic Director, who has a huge conflict of interest in reporting this to the actual authorities..." Come on man. Pa can't just fall back on "I was just doing my job" here. That's ****ing weak man.

Awesome post, obviously.

Because LOL ESPN. I mean who the hell still watches the Disney Sports Network?



We get it - you're drunk. I remember when I was 21. Now stop posting itt until you sober up from your stupor. Aren't you like 8 feet tall? How many did you have? 30?

he shoudl just stop posting on this site. dude has been terrible from day 1.

I get that ESPN doesn't want to plaster child rape all over their site, but it feels wrong that the only mention of this on their front page (or their college football page) is just "PSU AD charged with perjury"