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11-09-2011 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
College players don't think that way. They do what their coach tells them.
it happened in rudy
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11-09-2011 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Aloysius
That's right - the police did follow-up on it and report to the DA (who mysteriously disappeared - btw on that front, the NY Times has picked up on that story as have other mainstream outlets - my head asplode if that turns out to have any legs!)

And Dye, I get your some kind of PSU apologist... but come on man - Sandusky confessed to molesting a kid and cops overheard him confess - how could that ever be deemed "insufficient evidence"?
Sarcasm bro. I'm asking the same question myself.
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11-09-2011 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumaterminator
Again- what ncaa rules has psu possibly violated?

cancelling football games this season does zilch.
Isnt there likely to be some kinda 'bringing the league into disrepute' type rule which could be invoked?
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11-09-2011 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Chips Ahoy
I am sympathetic to the players. My suggestion is immediate clean sweep of coaching staff. Play the remaining schedule to honor the commitments to other schools. Decline all bowl bids.

Then eliminate the football program. Allow all players free transfers. Allow players who wish to stay for an education to keep their scholarships.

The cover up allowed the program to avoid consequences for 13 years. It might have avoided them forever. People who lack perspective on football needs to be shown that not reporting is a losing play in terms they will understand. Not eliminating the program makes the cover up look like it was a good gamble.
I am not allowing my fandom to sway my opinion when I say that eliminating the football program does nothing in furthering some sort of detrerence agenda or otherwise. It would just be flat out stupid and do nothing other than hurt a large group of people who had nothing to do with this situation.
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11-09-2011 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Bdidd
First, I, like everyone, believe that Sandusky is guilty as sin.

I do know a little something about evidence and trial work though. What they got out of Sandusky, while compelling in terms of evidence suggestive of his guilt, is not a garden variety "confession" by definition. A confession is "yes I did it" type of stuff. That isn't what they got here.

Semantics really but worthy to note nonetheless.

And the relevance of my being a lawyer is nothing more than a shameless barg LDO.
Haha, ok.

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Originally Posted by MyTurn2Raise
sorry, JoePa.
We cannot get you legally. But, what you don't get, you don't get to retire on your terms. You shouldn't get the ride off to the sunset. You shouldn't get the last senior day and students (with their underdeveloped prefontal cortexes) chanting the good 'ol college rah rah stuff one more time. You forfeited that. Do your best in the time that remains, but your last 14 years are crap. Your legacy is crap. You're the ultimate model now of letting ego and achievement is some narrow field blind you to winning at life overall. Very sad. Now, go away.


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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
I actually did simply forget that the incident where police heard a confession was prior to the one in the Grand Jury report that is being discussed.
Oh, ok and fair enough - there are a lot of facts to keep straight.
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11-09-2011 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Bdidd
I am not allowing my fandom to sway my opinion when I say that eliminating the football program does nothing in furthering some sort of detrerence agenda or otherwise.
I would imagine if Penn State football got shut down for some period of time (or eliminated entirely), that would act as a rather large deterrent to future violations not only at Penn State (remember, this isn't just a football issue, it's a university wide issue), but the U.S. university system as a whole.
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11-09-2011 , 04:47 PM
The principle is nice I guess (about opposing players sitting out), but I would probably think the guy is pretty dumb for putting all sorts of things at risk for him personally and his team. Talk about punishing people who really didn't have anything to do with it.
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11-09-2011 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Aloysius
I would imagine if Penn State football got shut down for some period of time (or eliminated entirely), that would act as a rather large deterrent to future violations not only at Penn State (remember, this isn't just a football issue, it's a university wide issue), but the U.S. university system as a whole.
How do you deter a pedo from being a pedo?

How do you deter money and power corrupting an agenda?

Answer- you can't deter either. Humans gonna human.
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11-09-2011 , 04:49 PM
you can deter people from taking a lax attitude to reporting accusations of this nature
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11-09-2011 , 04:49 PM
2.4 The Principle of Sportsmanship and Ethical Conduct

For intercollegiate athletics to promote the character development of participants, to enhance the integrity of
higher education and to promote civility in society, student-athletes, coaches, and all others associated with these
athletics programs and events should adhere to such fundamental values as respect, fairness, civility, honesty and
responsibility. These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation, but also in the broad spectrum
of activities affecting the athletics program. It is the responsibility of each institution to: (Revised: 1/9/96)

(a) Establish policies for sportsmanship and ethical conduct in intercollegiate athletics consistent with the educational mission and goals of the institution; and (Adopted: 1/9/96)

(b) Educate, on a continuing basis, all constituencies about the policies in Constitution 2.4-(a). (Adopted: 1/9/96)
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11-09-2011 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BASaint
you can deter people from taking a lax attitude to reporting accusations of this nature
And that is the responsibility of the criminal justice system and even the administrative system of the institution. That is not the role of the NCAA.
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11-09-2011 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by pvn
wait, is kiddie rape covered by NCAA regulations? Seems like they're still A-OK by this yardstick IMO.
Kiddie rape A-OK, you just can't buy him an ice cream after.

Last edited by DWetzel; 11-09-2011 at 05:01 PM. Reason: Also A-OK: having his dad ask you for ice cream
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11-09-2011 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MyTurn2Raise
there's a small, but growing movement in Nebraska to not show up for this week's game.
Exactly where the **** did you gather that?

Absolutely not.
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11-09-2011 , 04:56 PM
The insufferable commentators on Saturday...

"So emotional, Bob. This is a gritty and heartfelt effort by Joe Pa and his players, and proves the kind of man and coach that he is.... really full of integrity and respect for the young men he's coached sticking with this team throughout this turmoil."
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11-09-2011 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Bdidd
And that is the responsibility of the criminal justice system and even the administrative system of the institution. That is not the role of the NCAA.
Right - and the administration could choose to shut down football at Penn State as a deterrent and signal to the world that they're trying to do the right thing.

I'm not really taking a stance on whether or not the football program should be eliminated - just that if it were, it would obviously act as a natural deterrent to future crimes.
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11-09-2011 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Wow. Wow.

Wow.
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11-09-2011 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Aloysius
Right - and the administration could choose to shut down football at Penn State as a deterrent and signal to the world that they're trying to do the right thing.

I'm not really taking a stance on whether or not the football program should be eliminated - just that if it were, it would obviously act as a natural deterrent to future crimes.
Great, except by the same logic you need to fire the PSU police department too, and anyone under those administrators.
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11-09-2011 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by bills217
Wow. Wow.

Wow.
Wow indeed - a full reporting on the situation back in April of this year... god the Penn State BoT are a bunch of idiots. They had so long to prepare for this likely outcome.
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11-09-2011 , 05:14 PM
Lol that date is amazing. How the hell is the guy on campus working out last week lol
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11-09-2011 , 05:17 PM
think the date is right look at the comments

posted at 1:59 pm on Wed, Nov 9, 2011.
Posts: 1
MarkPA, kowrie1, michael5148,
Bet you guys feel pretty stupid now huh?


MarkPA posted at 6:15 pm on Tue, Apr 5, 2011.
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11-09-2011 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bills217
Wow. Wow.

Wow.
agreed, nice find by the good doctor
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11-09-2011 , 05:20 PM
ESPN Q: Should Joe Pa coach for the rest of this year?

Herbstreit: "You have to think about the players on the team this year. These players are trying to win a Big Ten championship. You take away Joe Paterno and Mike McQueery from this team, and this season is done."

lol wut
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11-09-2011 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DWetzel
Great, except by the same logic you need to fire the PSU police department too, and anyone under those administrators.
Hm, I'm not sure what you're saying but I think a lot of us ITT are all for cleaning house wherever there has been a cover-up in the system.

And I am not saying that the Penn State football program should be eliminated, I have no real opinion on that.
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11-09-2011 , 05:28 PM
Spoiler:

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11-09-2011 , 05:33 PM
Cancelling the game/program doesn't do much beyond make the point "This is really bad and the people in charge are all *******s". It would be basically totally punitive at this point. Maybe that's enough for you, but I don't see it being appropriate.

I'd hold off that outrage until we see who is left standing after the BoT meets. If they don't clean house, then I think you can start forming an argument about an institution that should be cast out from polite society.
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