Is this TradeOC's alt and they just go HAM on both sides of an issue?

The NFL already confiscated and weighed the Pats footballs, they were all underweight. That's what caught red handed means in this particular context.

The Pats are responsible for their 12 footballs, regardless of why they were underweight, they were. That's a problem.

This is the right answer.

Pats probably lose a draft pick or two and pay some fines, move on. The NFL doesn't need a ton of proof to act, but to do anything major it will. No one will talk, end of story

they were accused of having underinflated balls, the balls were tested, the balls were found to be underinflated

so yeah "caught" would be an accurate description

this silliness of this story is only matched by the silliness of the posting about it

Sort of hilarious that Harrison thing is the one thing BB got absolutely zero **** for.

Bolded isnt strictly true. They are responsible for providing balls to the referee and they are responsible for not tampering them after they were handed to the refs. Balls can lose pressure during the game, but not as much as reported by Mort if that tweet was accurate. So yeah, I agree, they arent going to anything major unless they can get a handle around that tampering part, and good luck with that.

Also possible they were very creative and filled the balls in a dryer or in heat or something so that theyd naturally deflate more when taken outside. But I dont know what the hell that would be because then they gave the balls to the ref, got them approved, and didnt touch them after so they'd be within the letter of the law if not the spirit.

It's an old story, but it also highlights why BB is so good. Colts are in the hurry-up and he does every little thing he can to cost them even an extra second or two. People not embracing this stuff just baffle me. The Pats don't get the benefit of the doubt because they keep getting caught. Still wish BB just "Hold my diiiiiick"'ed the entire press conference. Do it until the NFL makes you stop. They won't, so you don't stop.

TradeOC will only trust himself as escrow of the 1k and was willing to take the action. He cited thousands in trades and being highly reputable.

Here is his most recent trade from 6 days ago:

What does that have to do with the Jets being scumbag cheaters?

Right, but it stretched credulity well beyond its breaking point to believe that from the moment the refs handed the balls back to the Pats equipment team, that anything other than deliberate tampering could've lead to the situation recorded at half.

BB GOAT, Goodie Mob and the NFL WOAT.

Re: your edit, that's pretty damn brilliant really. Fill them with heated air and wait for the pressure to go down naturally later. Would love to see that come out as BB's method. Everyone else is punting on 4th and 1, BB is giving lectures on the Ideal Gas Law

Was on an interception, so it wasnt even that clever.

OK. So by your logic, the following three scenarios are the fault of NE:

a) 12 footballs were submitted at 11.5 psi before the game, the officials claimed to inspect them rigorously, but allowed them as a result of half-ass job.
b) The 12 footballs started at 12.5 psi, were vastly overheated compared to the IND footballs, and deflated well below the level of the IND footballs by half.
c) The 12 footballs deflated by some other natural means by halftime.

Would you also call it "cheating" if a team gets a no-call on an obvious DPI and does not immediately forfeit the game the following day?

Yeah I elaborated more on what I meant. Also depends if the random tweets and info that we got were accurate. If the refs measured all the balls before the game, then measured them all at the half, both were done accurately, and the pressure dropped as much as recorded, something else pretty much had to have happened

What was the situation recorded at the half?

Maybe Blount just pounded the crap out of the balls in practice so that he would not fumble

The NFL has already said the balls were inspected and weighed properly before the game. Maybe they're lying, but if not, that makes "A" moot. B seems hugely unlikely unless it was done on purpose, which I answered above in responding to LG (in short: BB GOAT).

C isn't possible unless you believe in ghosts.

12 Pats balls under inflated (11 by 2 PSI), Colts footballs properly inflated.

Right, if the info that's already out there is incorrect then it changes. There's the obvious danger of taking early information at face value but there haven't really been any contradictions/retracts posted yet.

Yea and Colts magically stayed the same. Bring the homerism to a hault please.

@Larry

Yea you got me thats the only trade I did lol. Trades are done in PM alot also no need to explain myself. Go jackoff to CT amd shut up lol.

What exactly does the "inspected by officials" entail? I have missed any description of that process. Do they test the air pressure with a gauge or are they just eye-balling them and examining the surface for foreign substances?

And btw, in the analogy I used, "caught red handed" would absolutely go further than simply realizing that under-inflated footballs were present during halftime. By conflating "under-inflated footballs were present" with "cheating must have taken place at the direction of BB," you're basically doing the same thing as conflating, "Sadam Hussein wanted WMD a few years ago" with "I guess Sadam Hussein has WMD right now since it's been a few years."

There's absolutely no explaining necessary. Just pointing out someone doing a trade for $15 less than a week ago wants to self escrow a $1k bet.

Yo Trades, take some time away from scamming and re read my posts dude. Or at least literally the end of the sentence that you bolded.

That means ill scam since I diid a $15 small swap? LOL I get trade sent 1st to me and always send get over yourself.

With how lackadaisical NFL officials are with pretty much everything, there is almost no way they actually stuck a pressure gauge into each ball to verify. Just no way. If they even picked them up at all. One of them probably walked over and saw the stack of balls and was like "looks good", while asking how the family's doing.

Only info I saw that was directly attributed to the NFL was that the ball were properly inspected before the game. There was no specific mention of weighing or pressure readings.

The leaks regarding the balls being under by 2 PSI haven't been confirmed by anybody, and there have been conflicting reports about this yesterday and today.

Then today, it seemed kind of strange that Belichick's hypothetical example was balls that ended up 0.2 PSI under-inflated. He then said for now on we will inflate them to 13 PSI so that there is no chance of this happening in the future. This makes no sense if he thinks the league tested them at 2 PSI under.

If they were really 2 PSI under then it looks pretty bad. But I want to see some actual numbers and confirmation from the league about the pre-game process.

Offering a self escrow of 75 times the last public trade you did on the forum.

All I am doing is typing straight facts. I haven't made a single statement about anything regarding it, just telling it plainly.