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06-18-2016 , 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Schlitz mmmm
lol wat? One of the earlier installments, part 2 or 3, included the detail that Furhman and those 2 other cops went to OJ's from Nicole's place/ the murder scene, the morning the bodies were discovered, and Furhman jumped the fence, talked to Kato and found the glove.. no one was there prior.. I could be wrong.
Well he would have had to have taken the glove from the murder scene. He was the 13th cop to arrive on the murder scene.
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06-18-2016 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I'm starting episode 4 now. Bracing myself to be frustrated and pissed off at the jury.
I'm 10 minutes in and pissed off and frustrated at the jurors. "I lose respect for any woman that takes an ass beating". GMAFB
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06-18-2016 , 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
Well he would have had to have taken the glove from the murder scene. He was the 13th cop to arrive on the murder scene.
yea I was wrong about the chronology of cops at Rockingham.. dunno why he 'would have had to' do anything, though
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06-18-2016 , 02:16 AM
wat
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06-18-2016 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
wat


it's all good. I'm not gonna get immersed in this to the point where I try to argue the time-line and what all other officers present did or did not do prior to Furhman's arrival.
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06-18-2016 , 03:58 AM
wow at Cochran's closing statement. Not even trying to argue that OJ didn't do it, just that the jury needed to decide what side they were on.
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06-18-2016 , 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
wow at Cochran's closing statement. Not even trying to argue that OJ didn't do it, just that the jury needed to decide what side they were on.
When I say Ito's an incompetent idiot and escaped without nearly as much scorn as he deserved, I am referring to stuff like that. I don't know how he doesn't step in and call BS on Cochran for all the race baiting he was doing.

They walked all over his court room.
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06-18-2016 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
I'm 10 minutes in and pissed off and frustrated at the jurors. "I lose respect for any woman that takes an ass beating". GMAFB
She's also the one who said there was no way in hell they were ever gonna convict oj
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06-18-2016 , 11:21 AM
Interesting way they tried to destroy Ron Shipp's credibility with the jury by pointing out that he (black guy) had a relationship with a blonde woman. Completely pointless but they brought up the fact that she was blonde at least twice. To that lol jury it undoubtedly made him a race traitor.
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06-18-2016 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by borg23
She's also the one who said there was no way in hell they were ever gonna convict oj
She was the most tilting person in the series IMO. The part where she was selected and she just says how her family kept saying "OH MY GAAWWWDDDD"; she left out the part where right then they all agreed she would vote not guilty.

While the other juror in the yellow dress seemed more rational than the old lady, she still came out from this looking bad.
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06-18-2016 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by erroneous
She was the most tilting person in the series IMO. The part where she was selected and she just says how her family kept saying "OH MY GAAWWWDDDD"; she left out the part where right then they all agreed she would vote not guilty.

While the other juror in the yellow dress seemed more rational than the old lady, she still came out from this looking bad.
Yes the other one seemed more rational just not all that bright. A perfect candidate to fall for court room theatrics that have nothing to do with the merits of the case.
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06-18-2016 , 12:33 PM
Holy crap episode 5 so far.
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06-18-2016 , 02:11 PM
Man that Vegas job is the stuff of movies. Reservoir Dogs except with total buffoons.
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06-18-2016 , 03:04 PM
I thought the entire doc was outstanding, but what a terrible artistic decision to force present day aerial footage of LA in to the early sequences that were built around nearly50 year old footage.

Every time they were building up a big USC game from the late 60s and cut to a shot of the Coliseum plastered in YP.com ads was just jarringly bad.
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06-18-2016 , 03:05 PM
Episode 4 was amazing.

Scheck's destruction of the blood evidence was both brilliant and chilling.

OJ making millions while in jail by signing cards and memorabilia. Jesus Christ.

Love Yolanda the Juror, too...her explanation on how the prosecution was blowing the cases was incredible. Especially during the glove moment.

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06-18-2016 , 03:54 PM
love this. haven't seen the last 30 minutes of parts 1, 2, or 4 as the ESPN app is such a piece of ****. limited commercial interruption because Bourne? half your ****ing Bourne adds crash the app. I can't get too mad being forced to rewatch such great television but cmon.
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06-18-2016 , 03:58 PM
I would have much preferred that the jurors' interviews had been done 20 years ago. As it is, too much time has passed to get an honest reaction from what they were thinking at the time of the trial (IMO). Just imagine how much feedback they received during the years after the verdict and how that may have altered their interviews.

I think the older lady juror pretty much owned it. Not sure she would have done so at the time, but maybe. I would have loved to have heard any juror simply state that they were aware that they were selected because of their limited intellect and long-term availability, and hear their reaction to that.

The interviews with the dumbasses involved in the Episode 5 shenanigans are in stark contrast with those of the jurors. They reek of honesty (at least as much as you can expect from such riff-raff). But it seemed to me that OJ considered himself bullet-proof after the criminal trial, and I suspect that some of those that he involved must have believed at the time that their culpability also would be limited as a result of association with OJ.

But that is just my viewpoint of that aspect. YMMV. After a slow start in Episode 1, I thoroughly enjoyed the series even though anyone can find things that they wish the filmmaker had done differently.
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06-18-2016 , 04:08 PM
OJ MADE IN AMERICA OR HOW MARCIA CLARK BLAMES EVERYONE ELSE FOR BLOWING A LAYUP
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06-18-2016 , 04:20 PM
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OJ MADE IN AMERICA OR HOW MARCIA CLARK BLAMES EVERYONE ELSE FOR BLOWING A LAYUP


It wasn't Marcia Clark. The LAPD and the Criminologists had to anticipate this would be a massive trial as soon as they ID the victims and should have done everything possible to do everything above board and as meticulously as possible.
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06-18-2016 , 04:49 PM
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I binge watched all five episodes last night (about 6 at night until 4 in the morning). It is worth a binge, watching it at night, if you can start early enough to finish and still get some sleep. So massive of a story, that you cannot even start talking about it without risking misleading someone about what it is about. Great documentary.

With that being said, since there are literally so many takes on this, I want to mention something that won't be mentioned a lot, and that is the moment that led to the actual killings. I believe it was in the last episode (5) that they talked about the book that OJ participated it that was called If I Did It. There was a huge firestorm when it was about to be published and the book was pulled, but then the Goldman family got the rights to it, and it was actually released.

Now, I haven't done a ton of research on this, but OJ had mentioned either in the book, or to someone else (discussed in this episode) that if Nicole hadn't come out/come to the door with a knife, she wouldn't have been dead. Now, they did a reasonably detailed account of the Keith Blomsavich (sp)) situation, where OJ had been watching Nicole give oral sex to Keith in Nicole's condo before the murders (week or weeks before?). I think that it is likely that OJ went to spy on her before his flight, with no intention of killing her. In the documentary, they stated that the went to the kids' recital that day, then was NOT invited to dinner with everyone. The dinner, of course, was at Mezzaluna, which Keith Blomsavich managed. It was also stated that OJ also called Paula Barbierri that night, but she was ducking his calls, or at least not answering. And then you have the known fact that Nicole had been rubbing her fling with Marcus Allen in OJ's face (or at least not hiding the fact). A friend of Nicole's (Greer?) had even given a crazy statement in the doc about Marcus being a bigger and better OJ, and when he said bigger, she hung on to that and gave a smile that was like a wink (I'm betting money that she was talking about Marcus Allen's penis size). If you see her mention that, you will likely agree. So, OJ was losing everything, getting humiliated in public, and he was out on the island all by himself.

He may have gone to Nicole's condo to spy on her, and maybe she noticed him and came to the door...with a knife. Maybe he wanted to talk to her one more time and to reconcile, so maybe he knocked on the door. But Nicole, knowing that this time there would be no reconciliation, took a knife to the door. OJ likely snapped and then went into overkill in the frenzy. Then Ron Goldman shows up with Nicole's mother's glasses that were left at the restaurant. It is possible that Ron and Nicole were also having an affair, but not sure if anyone has stated that OJ was aware. In any event, the story is so massive that talking about this risks misleading someone who hasn't watched it, that my little take is what the doc is about, but I think that there is little chance that OJ went there to kill. He either went to spy, to try to reconcile, or even to confront, but not to kill. If there was a video tape of that whole episode out there, I would want to know those facts more than the Kennedy assassination.

This documentary must be watched if you have any interest in the case, and the multiple dynamics involved. I think with the recent miniseries on FX, that someone could get the gist of it, by reading discussions about it, but OJ Made In America is so strong that if you are reading this thread you ought to consume it all now. Tremendous.
I just read If I Did It. OJ brought his own knife. He also had a friend with him who got rid of the clothes and knife. They got there and Nicole had candles lit, music playing, wine breathing with his kids in the house and he just snapped. He was also pissed that Kato the dog recognized Goldman. I'm not totally buying that since he put on gloves and a wool hat and took a knife with him, hid his car around the corner, etc.
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06-18-2016 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DrawNone
love this. haven't seen the last 30 minutes of parts 1, 2, or 4 as the ESPN app is such a piece of ****. limited commercial interruption because Bourne? half your ****ing Bourne adds crash the app. I can't get too mad being forced to rewatch such great television but cmon.
the app never crashed for me. you run bad.
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06-18-2016 , 05:59 PM
If I Did It is also pretty interesting as a looking into OJ's psychology. In Chapter 6 he's telling us about how he murdered people but by Chapter 8, one day later irl, he's gone full into an indignant "How dare you!" tone for people thinking he did it.
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06-18-2016 , 06:13 PM
I'll let you guys summarize the book for me rather than spend hours of my life on it.

Then again I did just spend about 8 hours of my life on this documentary.
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06-18-2016 , 06:26 PM
lol Marcia Clark screwed things up pretty bad
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06-18-2016 , 06:32 PM
They should've went into why OJ did "If I did it", basically coming out and admitting the murders. My guess is he needed the money that bad and figured with the proper wording there would be no legal repercussions but still pretty ballsy.

There hasn't been much talk about his kids, they must be pretty ****ed up. Not sure how they dealt with all this.
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