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03-22-2010 , 06:41 PM
Revised TV schedule including some planned tape-delay/replay games on ESPNU as well. The "ESPN Syndication" stuff just means that it might be carried live on some random channel in an interested market. The local markets want the game live of course and also perhaps on a bigger channel than ESPNU which not everyone gets.

East Regional

At Times Union Center, Albany, N.Y.
• No. 1 Denver (27-9-4) vs. No. 4 RIT (26-11-1), 3 p.m. Eastern Friday (ESPNU HD)
• No. 2 Cornell (21-8-4) vs. No. 3 New Hampshire (17-13-7), 6:30 p.m. Eastern Friday (ESPNU HD)
• Semifinal winners, 6:30 p.m. Eastern Saturday (ESPNU HD)
West Regional

At Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, Minn.
• No. 2 St. Cloud State (23-13-5) vs. No. 3 Northern Michigan (20-12-8), 4:30 p.m. Central Friday (ESPN Syndication HD/ESPN360.com/tape delay 10:30 p.m. Central, ESPNU)
• No. 1 Wisconsin (25-10-4) vs. No. 4 Vermont (17-14-7), 8 p.m. Central Friday (ESPNU HD)
• Semifinal winners, 8 p.m. Central Saturday (ESPNU HD)
Northeast Regional

At DCU Center, Worcester, Mass.
• No. 1 Boston College (25-10-3) vs. No. 4 Alaska (18-11-9), 1:30 p.m. Eastern Saturday (ESPN Syndication/ESPN360.com/tape delay 9:30 a.m. Sunday, ESPNU)
• No. 2 North Dakota (25-12-5) vs. No. 3 Yale (20-9-3), 5 p.m. Eastern Saturday
(ESPN Syndication/ESPN360.com/tape delay noon Eastern Sunday)
• Semifinal winners, 5:30 p.m. Eastern Sunday (ESPNU)
Midwest Regional

At Allen County War Memorial Coliseum, Fort Wayne, Ind.
• No. 1 Miami (27-7-7) vs. No. 4 Alabama-Huntsville (12-17-3), 4 p.m. Eastern Saturday (ESPNU)
• No. 2 Bemidji State (23-9-4) vs. No. 3 Michigan (25-17-1), 7:30 p.m. Eastern Saturday (ESPN Syndication/ESPN360.com/tape delay 11:30 p.m. Eastern Saturday, ESPNU)
• Semifinal winners, 8 p.m. Sunday (ESPNU)
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03-22-2010 , 06:42 PM
flyingray - 1. I don't think NoDak will win it all. 2. I am just looking at the upset potential in the tourney and the idea that there is more separation from the 1 seeds to the rest of the pack in this field. NoDak isn't a 4 seed that is trying to pull off an upset nor are they a 1 seed that is trying to turn away some upstart squad.
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03-22-2010 , 07:09 PM
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It's a 44k seat venue. Scalping outside at the last minute shouldn't be much of an issue if that's what it comes down to.

If Miami makes it there will certainly be a bunch of fans coming up from Oxford...but not THAT many. I mean, can you see more than 5k fans for this one? That sounds high to me. Miami hoops made the Sweet 16 in 1999 in St. Louis which isn't that far and there wasn't much of a Miami presence for that huge event.

Regardless, Miami has to get there first and the Ft. Regional is hardly a gimmie in a crazy single-elimination tourney. This team was capable of losing to Robert Morris back to back so not even UAH is a lock. Remember they also lost one of their playoff games to OSU as well and barely won in game 3.

No way you can take any hockey game for granted in a single elim tourney when all it takes is a hot goalie or crazy bounce to make the difference.

Anyway, if Miami makes it then that means Michigan is not going to be there. No Michigan or Michigan State already helps attendance. Northern Michigan Univ is further from Detroit than Miami is and it's not a very big school.

I'll be interested to see the turnout for this event in a 44k seat venue especially with some teams that might not be traveling an excessive amount of fans.

Denver nor UNH will bring out a huge number. North Dakota would bring in their share as would Boston College or Wisconsin but I'm still not exactly able to picture too many making some long caravan over from Madison or Bismarck for this.

With such a big place I have to think tickets will be somewhat do-able given the teams likely to make it.
Oh yeah, I am not worried about the games selling out or ticket availability. I was just wondering if tickets could be had cheaper if I wait til the Frozen Four field is set and possibly people who have tickets already and their team didn't make it sell them off for cheap. Same thing goes for the Finals. Someone told me that usually right after the Semifinals games you can get Finals tickets for next to nothing from fans of the two teams that had just been eliminated that day.
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03-22-2010 , 07:22 PM
I kind of doubt there are that many people buying tickets for the Frozen Four just in anticipation of their team making it there who would then sell them. But maybe I guess. But it's a two week gap remember. It's not like some Wisconsin fan is going to be hanging out in Detroit to try to sell their tickets after the Badgers lose their first game.

Tickets for the Frozen Four are running at $40, $70, $120 and $190 but that's for all 3 games. On stubhub you can get the cheapest tickets to the semis only for $30 but that would obviously be a mile away.

I definitely think you could get some tickets to the championship game from dejected semifinals losers though. If I decide to go it would probably be last minute and I will just show up on Thursday and buy from a scalper outside and it's $10 more or $10 less than what I would have paid otherwise I really don't care that much.

That's kind of looking pretty far ahead for a Miami team anyway that just lost games in back to back weeks to Ohio State and Michigan though. I certainly like their chances and I know you are just planning on the possibility of it happening though.
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03-22-2010 , 08:08 PM
Pretty excited to watch a bunch of these games. North Dakota/BC regional final could be especially sick. I don't think there's a sporting event that delivers more consistently than this tournament (the final games especially seem to be absurd every year).

I wish the Gophers would stop being failures.
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03-22-2010 , 08:24 PM
I'm really excited to see RIT in the tourney. They were a d3 powerhouse since the 80s and decided to go to d1 4-5 years ago, the rest of the school is still d3, so no scholarships. Since they've gone d1 they've beaten St Lawerence (first year d1, goalie made 70 saves), Cornell & Minnesota. The game will be played ~3 hours from the school, there should be a good amount of fans there, I'm tempted to call into work to watch the game.

Let's go RIT!
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03-23-2010 , 03:13 AM
donny - I'm pretty sure that all the other sports teams can be D3 (or not D1) but that it is still possible to get scholarships for your D1 program. Lake Superior State for example (maybe they're D2 in hoops...not sure) and lots of other d1 hockey teams at non-name schools.
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03-23-2010 , 04:06 AM
Bemidji State is only DI in hockey(with scholarships), D2 in most other sports(like bball, football) have some scholarships for that, and I'm pretty sure D3 in others(golf i think).
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03-23-2010 , 03:21 PM
yeah, those teams (RPI, john hopkins) were grandfathered in. When RIT stepped up they weren't allowed to (nor any team anymore). Uscho.com had a bunch of the articles, not sure if they're still up.

Regardless, time to order ESPNU and set the DVR.
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03-24-2010 , 12:14 AM
donny - interesting. had no idea. yes, the articles should still be up on uscho somewhere. They archive that stuff forever I think. Not really sure how much of that stuff works. They seem to be changing the rules all the time. I think it's not completely uncommon/impossible for a non-scholarship type program to find a way to get some of the athletes an academic scholarship (or generous loans or something) if they are able to qualify.

Anyway, RIT's conference isn't particularly strong (decent Air Force squads in the past excepted) and their schedule looked really weak. I don't see them with pretty much any chance against Denver. They went 0-6 non-conf against Colgate, St. Lawrence, Clarkson, Niagara and Minnesota State.

Losing 6-1 and 3-0 back to back to Minn St is what catches my attention the most since they're in the WCHA with Denver. Minn St was 9-17-2 in the conference and went 0-3-1 against Denver although all the games were competitive.

Only things RIT have going for them are playing within their region while Denver has a pretty lengthy trek to get out there. And I guess they have a pretty decent goalie too. Denver's offense hasn't exactly led the country in scoring so maybe the goalie can hold them off, give them a shot, and hope for a big break on the other end against probably the best goalie in the country (Cheverie).
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03-24-2010 , 12:32 AM
oh yeah, we're definitely dogs. 0-6 ooc hurts (tho i think we lost all six games by nine goals). Hot goalie + our good scorers getting lucky is our best shot. The conference should be stronger (somewhat) when we start playing niagara 2-3 times. Either way, very exciting for the team.
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03-24-2010 , 12:41 AM
RIT lost the two games to Minnie St by a combined 8 goals. Two of the other non-conf losses were 2 goal margins. 2 of them were 1 goal games. The most recent of those 1 goal non-conference losses was to Niagara who were 12-20-4.

Niagara perhaps adds a little bit of strength to the conference (and RMU too I think is going to join) but it's still pretty far behind. Getting more non-conference wins against the ECAC (their closest chance to be competitive) is their best route to respectability. RIT wasn't able to do that but some other Atlantic teams did.
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03-24-2010 , 02:00 AM
re: nanooks
these are slightly different but both awesome videos, and you should watch them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5YjPteCPLo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8THGqrjUDGI

I'm rooting for them or whoever's playing cornell, gogogogo
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03-24-2010 , 02:08 AM
I can't help but think about getting a Coca-Cola when I see the second one. Instead of a big cartoon I would rather see SOME kind of hockey action/hitting or something in there. But I assume they show that on the video-board at some other part of the intro.

When I went to Fairbanks (99 and 01 I think) they didn't have a video-board. But they played the freaking Beastie Boys like non-stop. Team would take the ice and it would be "Intergalactic" pumping through the sound-system. Then they would score a goal and they would play "Intergalactic" again and I was calling the game there and thinking, "What? Intergalactic isn't a song you play after a goal!" (well, it isn't a song you play to introduce a team either). It was just weird and ridiculous and almost made me laugh on the air. How on earth did they come up with that idea?

To this day I cannot hear the song Intergalactic without thinking of Alaska Nanooks hockey. I might have to play it on repeat on my computer while I watch the Alaska game this weekend just for sentimental reasons.
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03-24-2010 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by MicroBob
RIT lost the two games to Minnie St by a combined 8 goals. Two of the other non-conf losses were 2 goal margins. 2 of them were 1 goal games. The most recent of those 1 goal non-conference losses was to Niagara who were 12-20-4.

Niagara perhaps adds a little bit of strength to the conference (and RMU too I think is going to join) but it's still pretty far behind. Getting more non-conference wins against the ECAC (their closest chance to be competitive) is their best route to respectability. RIT wasn't able to do that but some other Atlantic teams did.
RIT has had quality wins in the past against quality non-conference teams, and Air Force took Denver to overtime this weekend. RIT and the conference still lags well behind the big boys but the gap isn't as big as people think. Denver is still a big favorite Friday but I wouldn't be too surprised if RIT keeps it close; if they keep it close anything can happen.
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03-24-2010 , 09:00 PM
generally agree flow. Denver would dominate a best of 5 or best of 7 series against RIT and it's not even close. But in a best of 7 it wouldn't be completely mind-boggling for RIT to at least be able to dodge a sweep. So if that's the case then RIT truly does have SOME chance this weekend but it's going to take some pretty hot goaltending.

But yeah..the Atlantic is pretty far behind. Their first place team of RIT probably goes .500'ish or worse in the ECAC and is almost certainly a bottom-feeder if they were in the WCHA and I don't think there's much question about either of those statements.

Miami's back to back losses to Robert Morris they outshot the Colonials 40-24 and 39-15. They lost 3-1 and 2-1 and scored zero even-strength goals. Total shots disparity of 79-39 and they lost both games.

So sure...UAH and RIT certainly have a chance. Another factor that can always come into play is the officiating. If it gets goofy out there and RIT ends up with back-to-back 5-on-3's or something then that certainly helps. With the home crowd advantage sometimes a sketchy ref can be swayed too much in one direction just subconsciously I guess.
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03-24-2010 , 11:46 PM
also Denver's been slammed with snow and their airport is a mess now (I have a friend there now, flight canceled last night, not confirmed home until saturday). So here's hoping to weather induced forfits and jet lag
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03-26-2010 , 05:25 PM
Bump for RIT, crazy.
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03-26-2010 , 05:35 PM
I'm having trouble wrapping my head around this upset. How big is it?

It's just insane that RIT has no athletic scholarships and just beat Denver, who had like 6 players on their roster drafted in the last 2 years.

It was also an incredible game by RIT's goalie Jared DeMichiel, who also gave a great post-game interview. The dude has a Hartford Whalers logo on his mask, so you have to love it.
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03-26-2010 , 05:41 PM
Ugh, totally forgot about this.

I remember when the Gophers lost to Holy Cross a few years ago and it was so humiliating at the time that a 1 would lose to a 4. Now it's happening every tourney at least once it seems like. College hockey is really growing a lot.
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03-26-2010 , 07:57 PM
NMU ties it 3-3 at the 3:49 mark. Going to OT. 1st time NMU's in the tourney since before I went there.
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03-26-2010 , 09:15 PM
What a brutal 24 hours for Cornell.
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03-27-2010 , 12:15 AM
I can't remember the last time i was this pumped, we just played a perfect game and took it. We won the small battles, got a PP goal, killed penalties great and had a strong breakout all game. So so happy to be an alumni today
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03-27-2010 , 12:16 AM
and yes, I use 'we' I yelled really loud at my tv.
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03-27-2010 , 04:46 PM
Avalanche333 - I think it may rank as the biggest upset in college hockey tournament history. But the fact that they have no scholarships isn't the reason why. The Ivy League schools don't have scholarships either yet can be very good and have won national championships before.

I didn't get to watch the game but congrats to RIT out of the freaking Atlantic Conference for making me (and a lot of people) look really foolish. What an amazing win for them.

Don't get to watch the Miami game because it's not on ESPN360 which sucks. I don't get ESPN-U where I am now...and they aren't simulcasting those. They have a couple games on ESPN360 but only the ones they aren't showing on TV. Arrgh.
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