Yeah, that went well.

Why not? A team like Edmonton would likely be more than happy to give up a top-5 pick for a player who can come in and immediately assume a top-4 role on a decent contract. I agree with 72o that his perceived value is probably greater than his actual value but he's still a solid player who without a doubt makes them a better team now and moving forward. If Edmonton isn't willing to pay a premium, hey, have fun sucking again next year. FAs aren't coming your way and it might take 3 or 4 years before a guy you draft this year becomes anything remotely resembling a competent top-4 NHL dman.

And why wouldn't he be interested in winning fast? The Soilers started their rebuild like 6 years ago and still finished second last in the NHL this year. They've got a once in a generation player in McDavid and loads of other talented young players on their team. It's time to turn this ship around. They don't need to spend more years acquiring high picks.

I wonder if 6th overall would be a reasonable starting point for a Drouin-to-Calgary trade...that is, if the trade demand is still active. Obv more needs to come TB's way, but that's the kind of move Tre needs to target now.

The minute they have to pay dat myan(s) his myuney (Gaudreau & Monahan, obv; Bennett in 2017, Backlund in 2018), they need to start cranking out results becoming of a legitimate threat in the West. Not sure 6th overall on Tkachuk/Dubois/Nylander moves the needle enough, quickly enough. Time to accelerate the blueprint.

Couldn't be happier with Laine

doubtful, for the reasons stated in the 2nd part there. TBL are a perennial East contender now, doesn't do them a lot of good to go backwards and start from zero with a drafted prospect. think Yzerman was pretty clear that he wanted a player on a similar track as Drouin, an NHL player on EL or cheap RFA. whatever helps them now and gives them all the cash they can get to keep Stamkos.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Juolevi be the first D taken. Other than that looks pretty good.

yeah the D order is super wacky, hard to predict, and might come down to preference.

not quite sure why more people aren't into Chychrun. i think he looks super solid with good upside potential. nice 2-way defender, could be fairly effective locking down top opponents, while creating some offense of his own. he's North American, has good size, seems like a good skater and makes a good pass, i'd be shocked if he wasn't at the very least a 2nd pairing dman for 15 years. seems quite likely he'll be a solid 1st pairing guy. my personal comp is Ryan McDonagh / Ryan Suter.

i still haven't watched much tape on Sergachev, will try to before the draft, but he's actually had the best production this year, with limited teammate support. 17g/57pts in 67gp, not bad. good size, plays a physical game, apparently has great skills. what's not to like? RUSSIAN FACTOR, and that's about it. recent comp i saw had him as a Mattias Ohlund type, which got me excited.

Juolevi was obviously great at the WJs with Laine & Puljujarvi, but not so much on a stacked London team with Marner, Dvorak, Tkachuk, Debrincat, etc. concerning that his production has been less than the other two, with the best supporting cast by a mile? i'd say so, yes. like with teammate Tkachuk (w/ Mattews internationally), we basically haven't seen Juolevi have to do it on his own. seems like a very smooth and accomplished facilitator.

QoT stuff:
Juolevi - 57gp, 9g, 42pts (London +137 goals)
Chychrun - 62gp, 11g, 49pts (Sarnia +62 goals)
Sergachev - 67gp, 17g, 57pts (Windsor +53 goals)

so yeah they've been kinda of inversely related to their QoT based purely on boxcar production. unless Juolevi's value is that of a lockdown defensive stopper (didn't think that was the case) than i'd be skeptical. have seen some ppl suggest that Sergachev is the best of the 3. think Chychrun is the safest pick, all things considered.

should be fascinating to see what order they're picked and how their careers shake out.

sigh just read an article wherein dean lombardi talks about how stats are great and all but you can't correlate them with winning, can't use them to predict wins or who will perform well and how THEY CAN NEVER MEASURE THE REAL IMPORTANT THINGS LIKE HEART AND PASSION.

**** me.

guess that's how you end up with dustin brown as your captain taking up all kinds of cap space while he chills back on the 3/4th lines.

Statement undervalues stats obviously, but if there's a sport where intangibles are difficult/impossible to measure with modern statistics it's definitely hockey. Baseball is basically solved and while football/basketball aren't there yet they are well ahead of hockey

show your work

Yep, more would need to go TB's way; I'm just not sure how vigilant Walsh & Drouin will remain with the initial request. If that demand is still on, you might have to take the best of a bad situation and recoup max value from a buyer's market.

In any case...Flames have 4 picks in this year's top 60, regardless of what Dallas does. I'll be okay if they stand pat and continue to stock up, especially if it's anything like last year's class that netted Andersson, Kylington and Mangiapane (and that was without a 1st rounder at all). But at some point, they'll need to burn through some of this prospect capital to start improving the big club.

Can't overstate just how important yesterday really was though. So excited for the Flames to start playing a modern game.

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where did you look it up? i'm in agreeance, just want source.

also, whats to stop him from going to swiss league or something?

Marner can def go and play somewhere in Europe. I hear the Iserlohner Eishockey-Club is a popular destination for Canadians

No AHL tho, for $$$ reasons obviously

I could be wrong and I'm sure most other posters itt are more knowledgable than I am on the topic. I'm a big enough fan of sports generally where I would've expected to at least be aware of that sort of progress being made with respect to hockey though. Like I'm generally familiar with the stuff that's on puckanalytics, etc but in my casualfan opinion these advanced stats paint less of a full picture as they do in other sports

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/05/04/...hes-nhl-ready/


Provorov's Brandon team (Jayce Hawryluk, John Quenneville, Nolan Patrick*) into the WHL final against Seattle (Mathew Barzal, Ryan Gropp, Ethan Bear, Keegan Kolesar).

London (players mentioned above^) into the OHL final against Niagara (Josh Ho-Sang, Brendan Perlini, Graham Knott, Vince Dunn, Alex Nedeljkovic).

QMJHL final a matchup of the top 2 seeds, Rouyn-Noranda (Timo Meier, Jean-Christophe Beaudin, Jeremy Lauzon, Martins Dzierkals, A.J. Greer) vs Shawinigan (Anthony Beauvillier, Samuel Girard, Dennis Yan, Dmytro Timashov, Gabriel Gagne).

Red Deer (Jake DeBrusk, Conner Bleackley, Haydn Fleury) waiting as hosts. Memorial Cup should be pretty good this year.

you might not recognize many of those names, but that's a lot of 1st-3rd round picks.

* - 6'3" center who had 41g/102pts this year, could be the top pick in the 2017 NHL draft. nephew of former NHLer James Patrick.

27th in the league in points. It's good, but 'whopping' is an overstatement.

he's a dman
0.34gpg, 1.18ppg pretty good

funny that his only competition in the WHL is Travis Sanheim, another Philly 1st round pick
0.29gpg, 1.31ppg

they building a good defense over there huh?

http://canucksarmy.com/2016/5/3/re-d...hl-entry-draft

Lol Bumz!

It's also nice that Kyle Connor turned into nearly a lottery pick. We're going to be a lot of fun next year.

Ya, I'm not near as versed on the incorporation of the hockey analytics as many on this board but was just curious how you arrived at the opinion that it's not as predictive as other sports.

thinking about the Flames a little more, still seem 1 year off "win-now" mode
team is still a little thin, prospects not quite ready, and gotta clear the bad contracts

waiting a year opens up $17.2m just from ^
could also buyout the last year of Stajan/Bouma if they want for more room

think trying to push things too hard now could be counterproductive
1. find a coach (Bruce?)
2. find a goalie (Reimer?)
3. add a Nylander or whoever at 6
4. stockpile more prospects with all those picks
5. fill remaining holes the best you can
6. wait, and then really go for it next summer

imo

maybe still bad, but fun yeah

I agree. There's more randomness in hockey than other sports which is why I think it differs.

Baseball - more of an individual sport. Easy to calculate things and isolate to an individual.

Basketball - higher scoring sport. Each individual basket means less. Star driven sport where only 4-8 players really matter.

Football - stops and starts. Can analyze options for every exact situation based on tons of historical data.

Hockey - puck bounces everywhere. Corsi / Fenwick not fully indicative of good results. Other factors at play and analytics not fully hashed out.

in football turnovers are huge events and are basically random

Hockey is like one giant hour long fumble

Yes, a turnover happens maybe once a game. Hockey happens an entirety of a game.

See post above.