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Originally Posted by sylar
malkin should have gotten an instigator as he pretty much fulfilled all the criteria except one which i cannot know about but was probably present (verbal instigation or threats). that pretty much removes any gray area.
I don't care what the rulebook says, a ton more goes into what draws an instigator to an official than that. They don't operate under a checklist system. Under a strict interpretation of the rulebook we would see penalties every shift for charging, interference, hooking, holding, slashing, etc. NHL players are given leeway to varying degrees on these infractions and as fans we all have a pretty good understanding of what warrants a penalty and what does not. I've watched more NHL games than I can count, and I am telling you that what Malkin did is never considered an instigator, much less in a playoff game. Bergeron was a more than willing participant during the entire exchange and his retaliations to Malkin's antics quickly escalated it into to a fight. Even though Malkin probably was the aggressor to a greater degree than Bergeron, it's not hard to look at the fight and see that both parties were equally responsible.
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the visor is in actuality an ADDITIONAL two minutes. yes, refs often ignore instigation for practical reasons, but they should not and do not usually ignore it when the player piles an unsportsmanlike on top of it. you may disagree with it, but there is very good reason for that.
I'd like to see some examples of comparable incidents that led to an instigator that I'm not aware of. I've got Gamecenter if the fight isn't already on youtube. I also don't buy that doing something after the fight breaks out which could be considered unsportsmanlike (and again, Bergeron more than returned the favor) then prompts the officials to slap on an instigator too.
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but please go ahead and call it my [sic] heartless euro definition, which has little to do with anything. i did not so much as reference any euro rules, applied euro standards. in fact, the player in question is a EURO!
I was actually calling you a heartless euro, because you would have to be to complain that Malkin didn't get an instigator there. Or just a Caps fan flinging sour grapes. On second thought, probably that.
Last edited by aislephive; 06-03-2013 at 04:32 AM.