NFL Old and Ongoing Bicker about Manning vs. Brady Thread. AKA The Biggest Loser - Page 160 - Sporting Events and Fantasy Sports

Peyton never had the coaching that Brady had, but when it comes to Rodgers, as LOLbad as Fat Mike is these days in game, he's wildly underrated in developing him and establishing an offensive system that has probably been on auto-run for a while now.

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06-28-2017 , 03:50 PM

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I get that this is a joke thread anyway, but this hyperbole is worthless.

No one is saying that Brady is a system QB or seriously saying that if you swapped Brady with Manning or Rogers that NE actually wins 12 SBs.

When you grade Peyton, you have to note the dome or the fact that he played with Harrison. When you grade Brady, you have to note that he (And his team) was coached by the unquestioned GOAT.

This doesn't need to get to the Jordan/lebron thread, with unprecedented levels of ******ation.

But some people have said that type of thing. And prob believe it.

Those are legit points, and Brady has benefited from having Bill B as his coach. That's light years from "cassel showed what average qbs can do in the "system."

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06-28-2017 , 06:17 PM

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Maybe not 12, but certainly rhetoric of, "BB and Rodgers or Peyton would have 8 consecutive VLTs." That started up right after Brady got his 5th, got the GOAT talk, and the Peyton/Rodgers fans on here and everyone else went on tilt with this kind of stuff.

There's not a rational Pats fan here who isn't in massive respect of both of those guys. I can't speak from everyone but ranking them to me is splitting hairs. This thread is mostly driven by Pats fans defending the rhetoric that Brady somehow doesn't belong on their level or the extreme stuff about system, etc. used against him.

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06-28-2017 , 06:20 PM

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I have zero respect for Peyton Manning.

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06-28-2017 , 06:31 PM

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I have zero respect for Peyton Manning.

How do you feel about his little brother?

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06-28-2017 , 07:00 PM

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Eli is a hero to the extra-chromosomed nationwide. Much respect.

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06-28-2017 , 07:55 PM

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Lol

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06-28-2017 , 08:57 PM

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Eli is a hero to the extra-chromosomed nationwide. Much respect.

well done, indeed!

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06-28-2017 , 10:08 PM

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All this talk about Cassell and Garoppolo, we should never forget Peyton was outplayed by Brock Osweiler.

Jim Sorgi's got a 6:1 career TD:INT ratio. He would've proved who was the system QB if he ever got the chance.

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06-28-2017 , 10:14 PM

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39 Year Old Peyton Manning really blows. Peyton didn't age well especially after back surgery and luckboxed a title after running bad in the playoffs/big games in the past. Sometimes QBs are gift wrapped SB titles when their D becomes all world.

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06-28-2017 , 10:43 PM

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he didn't run bad in the playoffs. He Peyton'd.

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06-28-2017 , 11:18 PM

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Eli scored a 39 on the Wonderlic, you better recant that slander

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06-28-2017 , 11:33 PM

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Special needs students get extra time tho

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06-29-2017 , 12:03 AM

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I was trying to figure out how many career passing stats Brady could overtake Peyton on until I saw how high Brees was, and he's not going anywhere anytime soon. He, Brady and Rodgers are going to keep adding to levels that won't be hit for another generation.

I don't have a ton of faith in the next group getting close, though. Luck's not even able to throw right now. I think the old guys are going to continue to dominate the league.

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06-29-2017 , 07:13 AM

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I think the new group will comfortably overtake them. Brees didn't throw for 4k yards until his 6th season, Winston has already thrown that in his first two

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06-29-2017 , 08:45 AM

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Don't want to waste too much of my time on this dumb debate but what system are these QB playing in?

What system is Rodgers in that makes those ridiculous throws? The coach plays for 50+ yard FG for crying out loud. Brady has shown he can play in any offense, they have had at least 3 different styles in his career. Run first, deep ball, dink and dunk, Brady has shown he isn't tied to one system. If it's so easy more teams would do it unless now walker and Edelman type guys are so great nobody can find them implement that system.

Nobody knocks Montana for the West coast offense and all world talent at every offensive position.

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06-29-2017 , 08:53 AM

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Nobody knocks Montana for the West coast offense and all world talent at every offensive position.

Don't we? Dude won 4 SBs and the debate d oesnt even concern him.

We recognize that Walsh pioneering the WCO, the lack of a salary cap, and the talent around him are knocks on him.

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06-29-2017 , 10:28 AM

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brady started out as a system qb relying on his defense. then he started breaking records and goating up stats but kept choking in the big games. he essentially became manning. but now he has ascended beyond that. he goats stats and wins super bowls.

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06-29-2017 , 10:37 AM

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Yeah the last 2 SB wins have really put Brady over the top. He def ran pretty well considering the Pats win expectancy at one point during those games but he also ran like complete dog**** against the Giants twice so it evens out. Brady goat.

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06-29-2017 , 10:45 AM

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This sums it up pretty well.

The bad luck vs the Giants was brutal. But Pats got tons of breaks in second half vs Atlanta, and if they play that SB vs the Rams 10 times, they win 2. So this stuff tends to even out long term, its a shame running like **** cost them 19-0.

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06-29-2017 , 11:44 AM

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5-2 in super bowl decided by 1 score each is running good, but man, that fkcing manning to tyree play.

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06-29-2017 , 11:54 AM

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Don't we? (Montana) won 4 SBs and the debate d oesnt even concern him.

GOAT doesn't concern Montana, you're right, that's settled.

Who's #2 all time, between Montana, Manning and Rodgers is a fun debate.

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06-29-2017 , 11:54 AM

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in the 7 SB's Pats were

- huge favorites once (2007)
- small or medium favorites 4 times (2003, 2004, 2011, 2017)
- pick em once (2014)
- huge dogs once (2001)

so yeah all 7 games were close, but in aggregate you can look at it say and 5-2 feels about right given the combo of pregame expectation and how close each game was

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06-29-2017 , 12:00 PM

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In some alternate universe, Eli turned into a pumpkin at the end of those games, Brady is 7-0 and is indisputably the GOAT, and Eli is known as the slanker that he is.

In another universe, Vinatieri missed those kicks, Marshawn ran the ball in, Matty Icy didn't get strip sacked, and Brady is 1-6 and is known as the greatest choker of all time (even though none of those plays involved him).

Aren't narratives fun.

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