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Old 01-12-2017, 02:55 AM   #51
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Chargers moving to LA is so so bad. LA didn't show up for rams games this year (even bad teams who move first year usually get people for the first year) and now they get a second team, lol NFL.


I think ownership are plumping up to sell. Yes, crowds will be a dumpster fire, but there's way more chance of a billionaire paying an irrationally higher price for an LA team
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Old 01-12-2017, 03:09 AM   #52
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Didn't the Rams average around 60-70k this year? I mean that's pretty good for a crappy team. The size of the actual stadium kinda makes it look worse than maybe it really is.
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Old 01-12-2017, 03:30 AM   #53
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Russell and Cam's offense combined and play the best guys would still be definitively worse than what Cousins has.
And he performed far better than both this season, what's your point? What's your opinion on Carr and what kind of contract he'll sign?
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Old 01-12-2017, 06:50 AM   #54
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Chargers moving to LA is so so bad. LA didn't show up for rams games this year (even bad teams who move first year usually get people for the first year) and now they get a second team, lol NFL.
Chargers selling out a 30k seat stadium the first 2 years shouldn't be an issue.
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Old 01-12-2017, 07:18 AM   #55
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And he performed far better than both this season, what's your point? What's your opinion on Carr and what kind of contract he'll sign?
The main point was toward the previous post about if cousins had the other defenses being pointless but alright, I'll play this game.

*warning tl;dr block of text*

Since you guys like stats.

Derek Carr has the best OL (I would put Oak #1 overall and pass pro from this year--fwiw pff gave them 4th) + crabtree/cooper and despite this he has a lower Y/A than Smiff and teddy bridgewater (!) despite having a freaking cannon for an arm and he rarely gets pressured. He's way too passive. I remember reading all the complaints about the smiffs/teddy's of the world for checking down too much, but 2p2 narrative is carr is beloved. Stats suggest he does the same thing if not a little more, despite not needing to!

(irrel sidenote, before you all think I really hate the guy he was my QB in my fantasy leagues this year--I also correctly played him for great games and benched him for all the **** games he had, and still didn't make any playoffs b/c lol me, I need to quit)

He's certainly improved over his college film (though I think he still has those general weaknesses, it just doesn't show up often in OAK, similar stuff to DAKGOAT in DAL, they might look pretty bad right now if they had to play for some of the LOL teams) but the narrative about him here vs others just shakes my head sometimes. He's not as bad as much as 2p2 hates the other guys, he's not as good as the narrative. Carr will be 26 next year, so I wouldn't bank on much improvement, I think it's a shame they just didn't have him air the ball out year 1 just to have him learn how to do that.

Maybe I'm just frustrated he doesn't use his arm/checks down too soon. What he did certainly worked for OAK this year so what do I know. My QB eval for who's gonna be good or not is so-so at best anyway.

Obviously, he's gonna get paid b/c it's the NFL and he's tall and white and is coming off a good W/L record season. He's in that middling group tier for me. Connor Cook is worse and has less upside (his upside is bad jay cutler), so you can't go there, and mcgloin isn't a solution for me either so idk what I would do in OAK if I got put there now.

moving on to the other argument

How many catches would desean jackson/crowder/garcon/etc have gotten that ted ginn/benjamin did not? (hint: this is definitely more than zero) How well would Russell Wilson perform if he instead had a WR1, a franchise LT, a quality RT, a pro bowl RG instead of LOL with his pro bowl TE? (ie pff 7th OL vs LOL 32) How much do the extra rushing yards those other two provide vs kirk discount the extra passing stats? (these are all obv not serious Q's as they're at best subjective answers; but everything requires context especially stats, if you wanna go with traits (ie, arm strength, pocket presence/accuracy/placement/decision making/etc) I'd prefer that argument. Unfortunately, that requires work and I don't expect any of us (including me, definitely including me) to do it. So instead I'll just be more like trump and say things whether they make sense or not just to see who gets rustled from it.

I mean if you're a younger QB, how much easier is it to look good with OAK/DAL/WAS OL's vs say MIN/LARM?/CAR/SEA... who's the best tackle out of that last 4's group Matt Kalil?.

That's a difficult question to even come close to quantifying; but the answer there is definitely.
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Old 01-12-2017, 07:43 AM   #56
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Dang, thought you would have liked Carr and I was gonna go all gotcha Pretty much agree with it all, though I still like him. But that's more of a GRIT and personality thing, kid seems to have a ball when he plays. But he has improved a lot year on year as well.

Rustle would clearly play better with a better o-line and receivers (though you're really underselling Baldwin, he's been great past two seasons). But he'd also be required to do a lot more because they wouldn't be able to afford their defense. So it's a debate we probably won't be able to determine unless each team makes dramatic changes to their roster. If they do sign Kirk to a an extension DJax or Garcon is likely gone at least.

Plus there's still no solution to what you do if you let Kirk go. And having good receivers isn't his fault! As dkgo brought up he's been top 7 in DYAR/DVOA both full seasons, does he have to be higher because he has good receivers?

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Old 01-12-2017, 08:02 AM   #57
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I think it's kind off odd that Redskins were 3rd in yards this season, but only 12th in points scored. Seems like a lot of empty yards & a lot of fg attempts, especially for a team with a deep threat like DJax & a red zone threat like Reed.
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Old 01-12-2017, 08:21 AM   #58
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They move up to 10th if you take away defense/special team touchdowns. Attempted more field goals than anybody and missed more than anybody except second round kickah. Reed also missed decent chunk of time (out four games, very limited and only targeted once in two others)
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Old 01-12-2017, 10:20 AM   #59
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And Miami set a record for most yardage allowed in franchise history w an incredibly easy schedule.
holy ****ing ****

I knew the defense was bad but I had no idea it was WOAT bad. I guess in hindsight I should have known given that Tyrod ****ing Taylor had a career day against the fish (among several others...I think Shady had a career day in the same ****ing game)

Anyway the string of hilarious hires in Denver since Shanny was fired remains unbroken, Elway should strongly consider going back to selling cars
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Old 01-12-2017, 11:03 AM   #60
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How do you rank?

Carr
Stafford
Cousins
R. Wilson
Newton
Mariotta
Winston
Dak

All are 28 and below. Now and for the next 5 years?
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Old 01-12-2017, 11:29 AM   #61
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wilson

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carr
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Old 01-12-2017, 12:19 PM   #62
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Old 01-12-2017, 12:40 PM   #63
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holy ****ing ****

I knew the defense was bad but I had no idea it was WOAT bad. I guess in hindsight I should have known given that Tyrod ****ing Taylor had a career day against the fish (among several others...I think Shady had a career day in the same ****ing game)

Anyway the string of hilarious hires in Denver since Shanny was fired remains unbroken, Elway should strongly consider going back to selling cars

Dolphins were an embarrassment and disgrace to get into the playoffs over the Broncos who actually had a schedule (the hardest one). 5 of their wins were against the Rams, 49ers, Jets, and Browns. They almost lost to the Jets, Browns, and 49ers (definitely should've lost to the Browns) at home.

Oh yeah, and they almost lost to the Rams except for that last minute comeback. Lose one of these games and they aren't in the playoffs. Maybe we could've gotten a competitive game if the Broncos were in. Good thing they'll be 6-10 next year. **** them.
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Old 01-12-2017, 01:05 PM   #64
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Broncos were 1-7 vs playoff teams. Unlikely they would have been competitive.
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Old 01-12-2017, 01:17 PM   #65
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So the jags promoted from within and only fired Gus Bradley after one of the worst stretches in NFL history.

Kahn goes out and buys a bunch of sports teams and doesn't give a **** about winning. Well at least he fits right in perfectly with most NFL owners.
Can we talk some more about how dumb it is to keep everything intact with the exception of Bradley, & then bring in Tom Coughlin to have final say of the 53 man roster when the one thing he has always been incompetent at is roster management?

I mean the Jags have to get better next year just by accident, but they had the chance to actually do something pretty pretty good.
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Old 01-12-2017, 01:27 PM   #66
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chargers logo is basically just the dodgers logo with a lightning bolt
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:50 PM   #67
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Dolphins were an embarrassment and disgrace to get into the playoffs over the Broncos who actually had a schedule (the hardest one). 5 of their wins were against the Rams, 49ers, Jets, and Browns. They almost lost to the Jets, Browns, and 49ers (definitely should've lost to the Browns) at home.

Oh yeah, and they almost lost to the Rams except for that last minute comeback. Lose one of these games and they aren't in the playoffs. Maybe we could've gotten a competitive game if the Broncos were in. Good thing they'll be 6-10 next year. **** them.
Yeah I mean I get that you're still irrationally furious over the Dolphins getting in after you assured us that they wouldn't and I've been more critical of them than any Dolphins fan I know, but five of Seattle's wins were against the 49ers, Jets, Rams and lolphins (who should have won, at Seattle no less, but Stills can't hold onto wide-open passes) and unlike Miami they actually did lose to the Rams so should we be UPSET that they got in too?

It's not like the teams are individually going out and scheduling Utah State to pad their win totals and cheat their way up the coaches' poll. Of course the Super Bowl champs are going to get a tougher schedule than the non-playoff Dolphins anyway, and was the AFC East's turn to play the NFC Woat so I'm not even sure what the beef is.
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Old 01-12-2017, 04:08 PM   #69
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Chargers being trolled by sport teams all across the nation is incredible
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Old 01-12-2017, 05:33 PM   #70
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McVay is the new Rams coach. Only 30 years old.

Can someone explain why Vance Joseph was a hot hire when the Dolphins D hasn't exactly been great the last few years??
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Old 01-12-2017, 05:37 PM   #71
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If he gets Wade over to be DC it'll be a bit of a result

30 is unbelievably young - not sure what to make of it
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That will put asses in the seats.
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Old 01-12-2017, 05:45 PM   #73
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Redskins have a lot of offensive weapons and have used them to great effect last few years.

I think mcvay is a solid hire.
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Old 01-12-2017, 05:48 PM   #74
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Good for McVay but I am not going to miss those lobs in the endzone to midget receivers.

Rumor has it he may get Wade Phillips to be his defensive coordinator. Sort of hoping the Redskins get Phillips instead !!
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Wow, I had no idea that Sean McVay's grandfather was first Bucs coach and USC legend, John McVay. Cool.
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