lol at thinking that 2 time NFL MVP doesn't get snap inducted in HOF. He could have literally retired right after his insane 1999-2001 peak and still belong there

Were you dropped on your head as a baby?

Warner, Davis, and Easley are all pretty strong signs the voters valued high peaks more than longevity.

I really am amazed about the fuss made about players getting/not getting into the HOF.

Warner shouldn't be getting in. How many fumbles did he have?

Don't know if it's an American thing but it's always a strong topic of conversations here. It was sports debate before there was sports debate.

When I first got into sports as a kid I'd quiz my dad at the dinner table on which MLB players should end up making the HOF. He'd grow tired of it after a few minutes but that was always the topic on the tip of my tongue.

not sure. were you?

there's literally like 3 people who won a single MVP and still not in HOF, you don't even need all your fingers on both hands to count players who won multiple (unless you lost a bunch of fingers as a baby)

he was getting inducted 100 of 100. deserve is irrelevant

Literally is a tough word. I went back to 1980 and there were 11 people who won one MVP who were in the HOF and 8 who won exactly one and aren't. Obviously didn't could people still playing

Fig'd Warner was going to fall into the: Stabler, Plunkett, Esiason maybe/maybe not category for a longer period of time. Like TD was as a RB.

TO not being in is a joke.

eta: Phil Simms too

Boomer was a bad man.

Pretty sick swan song. Left 'em wanting more.

yeah I was literally wrong on this point

however, there are approximately 0 multiple MVP winners who are eligible and not in HOF

Warner posted 2 of the best 20 seasons by QB ever (adjusted by era), also in top 10 by ANY/A when every single QB ahead of him other than Steve Young and Peyton is still active

if JJ Watt never plays another down is there going to be an argument whether he's a first-ballot HOF or not?

Yes this, the subjective nature of the HOF in all sports makes it fodder for endless debate.

Anyway I remember even local Denver sports honks debating it after TD was forced into retirement and I can't recall a single one of them concluding that he deserved to be in the HOF based on what were, granted, 4 strong seasons of football. On a personal level I'm glad he got in because he's an eminently likeable guy and I'm pretty sure Denver doesn't win either of its 90s SBs without him...but again, there are others more deserving than he, TO being the most glaring example. Edgerrin James and Fred Taylor both deserved consideration at the RB position before TD, imho.

I guess I'll look now unless anyone knows off the top of his head but how many running backs with fewer than 10k career rushing yards are in the Hall since the league went to 16 regular season games? Can't be that many.

I just want to remind everyone of a moment in time they may have forgotten that perfectly sums up the last 2 years of 29ers football

@chicago in a blizzard

29ers block a punt and return it for a touchdown and proceed to make snow angels and get a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty

Afterwards the touchdown is under review

Afterwards it was ruled the returner was down at the 1

The 15 yard penalty now makes it 1st and goal at the 16

Kaep did not score a TD. 29ers lose this game

that's more lolrefs than lolniners

I'm fine with guys with short careers/peaks getting in, especially since careers are getting shorter at several positions. You really don't see guys these days have much longer than 6-7 year runs.

But if you were an irrelevant backup for 5 straight years in the middle of your career then that is a bit much. There is nothing that says you have to get in with 2 MVP's, Warner should be an exception to the rule.

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Yes is strong there IMO

Terrell Davis:Emmitt Smith::Gale Sayers:Barry Sanders

I don't really think TD deserves to be in, but all RB HOF conversations are tough to have since so much of it is dependent on teammates, circumstance, injuries.

A lot easier to evaluate a QB's career.

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I think time has passed and people have forgotten about the guys who came after TD and had similarly successful seasons: Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Clinton Portis.

I still think TD belongs with it being the Hall of Fame. Just like Warner. It's not just a measuring stick of statistics, it's a history of the game and Terrell Davis, even if he's right time right place like a Jeter, still was considered* one of the 2 or 3 best players in football for multiple seasons and the fulcrum of 2 Super Bowls (he saved Elway's legacy).

Tough to put TD in and not Priest Holmes tho.

*Even if we now know that's an erroneous notion.

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Doubt he just lets that go without tweeting something, especially since he is BFF with Kraft/BB/Brady.

Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if by the 3rd quarter he is questioning the refs and coaching decisions on twitter.

Baseball HOF is selective and historically sportswriters and fans would have extensive discussion about a player's worthiness. That sport also lends itself to long careers and emphasis on stat accumulation.

seems like people inadvertently apply that context to other HOF that aren't as selective

That's fair wrt TD, the Warner thing I just can't shake the 5 years of being irrelevant. At QB? in a QB starved league?

And like I said, careers getting shorter at a lot of positions so Davis 4yrs will hold up.

if those were some run-of-the-mill MVPs where there was no clear favorite and they had to give it to someone I'd agree with you

at the time his 1999 and 2001 seasons were in the best 5 by QB ever, also set SB records for passing yards and passes w/out INT (that still stand to this day) - can't really dock the guy points for playing half of next season with a broken hand on the wrong side of 30, then having more injuries and finally tearing his MCL a few years later

he just ran really bad with going undrafted and only getting one tryout in Green Bay against Brett Favre and Mark Brunell and then in other two SBs that he lost while passing for 350+ in both