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01-18-2017 , 04:13 AM
Fitz, Baldwin, and Landry are correct.

Beasley led qualifying WRs in catch rate but didn't get enough targets.

If you want the last answer it's in spoilers

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01-18-2017 , 04:24 AM
Huh, I thought Stefon Diggs missed more time than he did but he was close to being correct. 75.0% catch rate, but only 112 targets.

vix guessed Travis Kelce who was another close one, 72.6% on 117 targets.

Antonio Brown had a 68.8% catch rate. Boldin had a 70.5% rate but on only 95 targets.

Julio Jones was only 64.3% on 129 targets. Edelman got 159 targets (third in the league!) but only 98 receptions for a 61.6% catch rate.
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01-18-2017 , 04:27 AM
Also, David Johnson had 120 targets and 80 receptions, which is kind of a low catch rate for a RB but then he's the only RB to get that kind of workload. Le'Veon Bell had more targets per game but missed four games so only 94 total.
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01-18-2017 , 04:43 AM
I think the weakness of Seattle's o-line is exaggerated because Russell Wilson is very short for an NFL QB and accordingly moves in the pocket simply to be able to see his receivers. Wilson has started 16 games in each of the past 5 seasons, this past season was his career high in yards and 2nd lowest in sacks.
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01-18-2017 , 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by nath
Also, David Johnson had 120 targets and 80 receptions, which is kind of a low catch rate for a RB but then he's the only RB to get that kind of workload. Le'Veon Bell had more targets per game but missed four games so only 94 total.
Seemed like he was used middle/deep more as well. He had 13 receptions of 20+, next closest RB had 8. Bell had 4 on only 5 less receptions
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01-18-2017 , 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by JMurder3
The problem with waiting for a good job is that they all go to terrible coordinators who misss the playoffs because NFL teams can't wait 3 weeks for the actual decent candidates to be free for some inexplicable reason.
That is because of assistants, if you're the last one to hire a HC--you are picking them from the unemployment line.

It's just like when you got picked last at school.
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01-18-2017 , 07:18 AM
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I think the weakness of Seattle's o-line is exaggerated
Then you haven't watched Seattle's o-line.
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Seemed like he was used middle/deep more as well. He had 13 receptions of 20+, next closest RB had 8. Bell had 4 on only 5 less receptions
Yeah, for sure it bears mentioning that David Johnson had by far more big plays and significantly higher yards per reception than anyone who had anything close to his number of targets (you have to get to like Spencer Ware and Tevin Coleman, who had 42 and 40 targets respectively, to get a higher YPR).

Also, here are some fun cornerback stats.
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01-18-2017 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
That is because of assistants, if you're the last one to hire a HC--you are picking them from the unemployment line.

It's just like when you got picked last at school.
There are plenty of talented people out there you can move up a level if you're picking the right people, or bringing along people you currently work with from a successful organization.

Out of the coordinators hired, there aren't many that stand out as potential game changers beyond maybe Wade.

I don't recall ever being picked last in school, but if I was, I'm not sure I ever had to hire a coordinator afterward?

Just YOLO on a young guy, & if it doesn't work out, you can be at the front of the line for coordinators the next year.

There are also some interesting established options out there still like Chip Kelly, Gus Bradley & John Pagano.

Looks like Shanahan is supposedly taking the job & Gutekunst for GM.

I assume he'll just make his current QB coach Matt Lafleur his OC & bring offensive assistant Mike Lafleur with him.
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01-18-2017 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JMurder3
bringing along people you currently work with from a successful organization.
Can't be linear, rules get weird, so maybe he won't be able to. Also, the line between "successful organization" and not is mostly who the QB on the team is, which greatly blurs the line between just what the heck quality is and isn't b/c you may not know based on results. Just hope for techincally sound, but even then that might not apply to your team. (ie MY SYSTEM coaches vs your personnel and they will never change)

Also, I was referring to this general board probably did not you specifically. If you pick last, you get **** in all competitive ventures. Only in your world does "you get to pick them all first next year" a positive--that only happens if the HC got fired...

For #YOLO'ing a young guy, some teams did that, but for the most part the only young guys out there are all sons of NFL guys.

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01-18-2017 , 11:39 AM
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Only in your world does "you get to pick them all first next year" a positive--that only happens if the HC got fired...
See e.g. Hue.
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01-18-2017 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by th14
I think the weakness of Seattle's o-line is exaggerated because Russell Wilson is very short for an NFL QB and accordingly moves in the pocket simply to be able to see his receivers. Wilson has started 16 games in each of the past 5 seasons, this past season was his career high in yards and 2nd lowest in sacks.
It's also that Seattle has ~always had OLine issues in the Russell Wilson era. 2012, Russell's lowest sack year, he had 15 games of Okung and 16 of Unger. In no other year did Seattle get that many games out of linemen of that caliber.
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01-18-2017 , 02:34 PM
Some random rumors that are probably true:

* Chargers dropping the Dodgerbolts logo.
* Rams to hire Aaron Kromer as OC.
* BOB to be his own OC & call plays for Texans.
* Texans promote Mike Vrabel to DC...potentially "promote" Romeo to assistant HC.
* Marquand Manuel, Falcons DB coach, likely to be Shanny's DC in SF.
* Browns expected to release RG3 & pursue Tyrod if the Bills release him according to racist sources.
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01-18-2017 , 02:45 PM
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There are plenty of talented people out there you can move up a level if you're picking the right people, or bringing along people you currently work with from a successful organization.
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Can't be linear, rules get weird, so maybe he won't be able to.
Yeah, coaches who are under contract are only free to leave for another organization if they get a head coaching job. Some teams may let a position coach under contract go become a coordinator, but they don't have to.
Like earlier this winter, the Eagles refused to let their QB coach interview for the Jets Offensive Coordinator job.

My guess is that if Shanahan leaves, if his key assistants are under contract, the Falcons will keep them.
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01-18-2017 , 03:01 PM
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Yeah, coaches who are under contract are only free to leave for another organization if they get a head coaching job. Some teams may let a position coach under contract go become a coordinator, but they don't have to.
Like earlier this winter, the Eagles refused to let their QB coach interview for the Jets Offensive Coordinator job.

My guess is that if Shanahan leaves, if his key assistants are under contract, the Falcons will keep them.
They don't have to, but it's expected if they want to look reasonable in the coaching community.

That's why the Raiders fired Musgrave to not lose their QB coach & why the Texans are bumping Vrabel to DC.
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01-18-2017 , 03:13 PM
"Expected" is a large overstatement. Guys get denied to move jobs all the time.
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01-18-2017 , 03:30 PM
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"Expected" is a large overstatement. Guys get denied to move jobs all the time.
Did a little research on the subject (as before I was mostly just talking from what I had heard generally). Apparently they changed the rule in 2008, & before then you had to allow someone to take a clear promotion...as a result teams were starting to give assistants ridiculous titles to make things more confusing & make it not a clear promotion, so the current system was the fix.

A lot of teams do allow for these interviews, but there are several examples of teams denying them. The Packers are the worst offenders in general, but this year the Lions, Dolphins & Eagles have all done it.

Most assistants are on rolling 2 year deals where they get extended 1 year after the end of the previous year. Coaches who have higher aspirations can turn down the extension year & be a free agent after the season.

Interesting topic.

Here's an article from 3 days ago on the subject, including a potential solution:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/he...om-interviews/
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01-18-2017 , 04:02 PM
how is Kromer still in the NFL? **** hell. Went from being the leak in the dysfunctional bears org to punching a boy in the face and threatened to kill his family over beach chairs in one calendar year.
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01-18-2017 , 04:23 PM
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What ever happened to that caveman that the niners hired a couple years ago?
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he lives in a van down by the river / might also be a position coach once again
He's probably bathing in 100 dolla bills and telling all his friends what a giant fish Jed York is.

His 14-15m dollar contract was 100% guaranteed supposedly with no offset clause. Because Jed York.

Kelley was making like 7m/per on a 4 year deal iirc; have no idea what kind of guarantee he got.

If Shanny has an agent who is even half way competent he will sign the biggest contract ever for a first year head coach in the NFL.

In sum; lol Jed York. Turns out turning over the reigns of a billion dollar corp. to your ******ed nephew has negative consequences. Who knew.
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01-18-2017 , 04:27 PM
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He's probably bathing in 100 dolla bills and telling all his friends what a giant fish Jed York is.

His 14-15m dollar contract was 100% guaranteed supposedly with no offset clause. Because Jed York.

Kelley was making like 7m/per on a 4 year deal iirc; have no idea what kind of guarantee he got.

If Shanny has an agent who is even half way competent he will sign the biggest contract ever for a first year head coach in the NFL.

In sum; lol Jed York. Turns out turning over the reigns of a billion dollar corp. to your ******ed nephew has negative consequences. Who knew.
negative consequences for fans, san francisco and santa clara. he's been nothing but an ENORMOUS financial net positive for his parents
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01-18-2017 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
how is Kromer still in the NFL? **** hell. Went from being the leak in the dysfunctional bears org to punching a boy in the face and threatened to kill his family over beach chairs in one calendar year.
which is supposed to be the disqualifying part in the football world?
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01-18-2017 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by th14
I think the weakness of Seattle's o-line is exaggerated because Russell Wilson is very short for an NFL QB and accordingly moves in the pocket simply to be able to see his receivers. Wilson has started 16 games in each of the past 5 seasons, this past season was his career high in yards and 2nd lowest in sacks.
Wilson had his lowest sack total because he got rid of the ball much quicker this year. His OL other than Britt was historically bad.
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01-18-2017 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by thenewsavman
He's probably bathing in 100 dolla bills and telling all his friends what a giant fish Jed York is.

His 14-15m dollar contract was 100% guaranteed supposedly with no offset clause. Because Jed York.

Kelley was making like 7m/per on a 4 year deal iirc; have no idea what kind of guarantee he got.

If Shanny has an agent who is even half way competent he will sign the biggest contract ever for a first year head coach in the NFL.

In sum; lol Jed York. Turns out turning over the reigns of a billion dollar corp. to your ******ed nephew has negative consequences. Who knew.
they made 150M last year, they got money to burn. f the whole lot of Yorks though as a 9er fan.
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01-18-2017 , 08:26 PM
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negative consequences for fans, san francisco and santa clara. he's been nothing but an ENORMOUS financial net positive for his parents
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they made 150M last year, they got money to burn. f the whole lot of Yorks though as a 9er fan.
I'm no expert on NFL team revenue and worth, but I assume you are getting the 150m last year from the Forbes article.

Those numbers are from 2014....and they're from lolForbes, who is notoriously unreliable in matters such as this. e.g. In this years NFL report hey have the Falcon Stadium deal pegged at 200m in public funding. The real number is closer to 750m, but even a cursory Google search would reveal the error of the 200m number. But, ya know, checking facts is hard.

Oh yea, back to 2014 revenue numbers....that is Harbaugh's last year and the team was only one year removed from an epic run. *check footnote in link

My guess is the 2016 numbers aren't even in the same ball park. There is simply no way you maintain the same level of revenue when your team is a league wide joke; and you hand out terrible 8 figure contracts like party favors.

I mean the very same Forbes article has the Rams value as something like +31% this year. l. o. l.
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01-18-2017 , 09:11 PM
yeah, well i think you don't realize what scam they ran on the seat buyers. you had to buy very expensive seat licenses and you are basically forced to re-new. despite low actual attendance numbers they were raking it in. the ticket prices + seat licenses are a huge profit. they aren't hurting for money, we were 60M under the cap this season.
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01-19-2017 , 12:12 AM

Am I so out of touch?
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