NFL Modern Era Draft: Discussion Thread

[Assani Fisher]

Originally Posted by SarcasticRat

Nope.

But I definitely agree with what you're saying. Us young kids are at a pretty big disadvantage, even though (afaik) we're both huge sports nuts. I've never seen a lot of these players play so it's pretty hard to compare them to guys I see every week now.

Also, I love the Moss pick. No WR can just flat out change a game like he can, and yes that includes Jerry Rice.

Some of Jerry Rice's game records:

Receiving touchdowns in a game (5)-tied with 2 others
Only player to record 5 touchdowns & 200+ yards receiving in the same game: 10/14/90
Only player to record 5 touchdowns, 200+ yards from scrimmage, & 10+ receptions in the same game: 10/14/90
Only player to record 280+ yards receiving & 10+ yards rushing in the same game: 12/18/95
Only player to record 280+ yards receiving & 3+ touchdowns in a single game: 12/18/95
Only player to record 299+ yards from scrimmage & 3+ touchdown receptions in the same game: 12/18/95
Only player with 16+ receptions and 3+ touchdown receptions in the same game; 11/20/94



Games with at least 100 yards receiving (76)
Games with at least 150 yards receiving (30)
Games with at least 225 yards receiving (3)
Games with at least 150 yards receiving in a single season (5)
Games with 10+ receptions & 140+ receiving yards (13)
Games with at least 1 touchdown (145)
Games with at least 1 touchdown reception (139)
Games with at least 2 touchdowns (45)
Games with at least 2 touchdown receptions (43)
Games with at least 3 touchdowns (14)
Games with at least 3 touchdown receptions (11)



edited to add: This has nothing to do with my point, but I found it interesting....He is currently the only player in the post NFL/AFL merger era to gain a single-season major offensive title with an output double that of the number two man. His 22 touchdown catches in 1987 were twice that of Player X's 11.

[SarcasticRat]

I mean obviously Rice is unbelievable, but he tended to score in a more systematic fashion. IMO an 80 yard bomb to Moss is more crippling than Rice just catching everything. But I'm not sure how relevant that is anyways. I mean I obviously can't get in the heads of NFL players, but I imagine it'd suck for a team to get a great drive and score only to have Moss get a monster TD and have to start over again.

[SMIGLET]

took walter jones, summary in draft thread

[Assani Fisher]

Jones wasn't who I was thinking of, but then again I really can't rate o-linemen very well

[Needle77]

Obviously my rankings are going to be different mostly because of the style of offense that I will be running compared to what the vast majority looks to be running(right now actually on the offensive side of the ball I can say that I'm the only one that is running the offense I plan on).

It's just that I was positive that #1 was consensus, Walter Jones was not one of the two that was missing from my top 4.

[Dudd]

Rice could definitely take it to the house from anywhere on the field, it just was more likely to be a 15 yard slant followed by a broken tackle rather than simply outjumping someone 50 yards downfield.

[MacGuyV]

Originally Posted by Dr. Zoidberg

The problem I have with taking Moss in the 1st is that he is now your most talented player in the locker room by far and thus has no one to keep his ego in check. (Does Moss know that he's your first round pick in our league?) In Minnesota and New England he had someone above him on the totem pole who could keep him in line. Here, it's gonna be hard to find a player who commands Moss' respect and forces to cut the bull****.

I'd agree w/ that completely. Chad Pennington (former college teammate) basically said as much when he signed w/ NE: "He'll be great there because there are players on that team better than him".

[Dudd]

Moss set all sorts of I-AA records in college, and he was clearly the best player on the team, having originally gone to FSU as a big time recruit. Just because he pouted when Andrew Walters was his qb doesn't mean that he'll do it for whoever ends up being selected in this draft.

[Dr. Zoidberg]

Originally Posted by Assani Fisher

Just to be clear....

We're talking about the same Bill Belichick who only had one .500 or better season out of 5 in Cleveland, right? The same Bill Belichick who went 5-11 in his first year with the Pats? The same Bill Belichick who was 0-2 with Drew Bledsoe as his starter in 2001 before Drew got hurt? The same Bill Belichick whose team was a double digit underdog in week 3 and whose team was generally thought of to be the worst in the league(look it up, thats not hyperbole)?

Then Tom Brady took over, the Pats went 11-3 in the rest of the regualar season, they won the SB, they formed a dynasty, and then everyone started calling Belichick a great coach. But I"m sure thats just a total coincidence, right? It always takes coaches 6 years and an 0-2 start in the 7th year before truly showing how great they are, right?

Also, the same Bill Belichick who had two rings on his hand before he ever met Tom Brady. Or the same Bill Belichick who had the #1 defense in 1994. Or the same Bill Belichick who Robert Kraft gave up a #1 pick to acquire. (We can do this all day.)

I don't even know what you're arguing. Brady and Moss make each other better. Manning and undrafted WR make each other better. Brady and Belichick make each other better. I already stated that Brady was #2 on my board. I consider Manning/Brady/Marino neck and neck with Montana/Young right behind them. Maybe I mistook the tone of the post, but you seemed to argue that Brady has been at a huge disadvantage compared to Manning throughout his career. I don't see it. The coaching talent between New England and the Colts is just as important as whatever talent gap there was between Manning's surrounding cast and Brady's.

It's not just Belichick either. Are you seriously arguing that Brady doesn't benefit from being molded by an organization where the head coach, offensive coordinator, and defensive coordinator have 5 rings between them before he was even on the team? Belichick isn't infallible. He got outcoached by Coughlin. He made some mistakes in Cleveland that he obviously learned from. But top to bottom, the New England Patriots have been the best run organization in all of football since Belichick was hired.

[MacGuyV]

Favre is a solid pick. I thought he'd go too low and be a rare product of the backwards "recent player bias". The idea of him throwing games away is fresh in all of our minds because sports are everywhere online now, but damn his playoff performances were insanely good pre-Atlanta '02.

[SHARK DOCTOR]

Correction: I will be taking Moss from the 2003 season with the Vikings. That was the year he caught 111 receptions for 1600+ yards and 17 TDs...and was already known as a deep threat and was not playing alongside [TARD]...thus demanding heavy double teams. He definitly had his ball catching radar on full, and was familiar with all the little tricks by then.

[SHARK DOCTOR]

Originally Posted by Dr. Zoidberg

The problem I have with taking Moss in the 1st is that he is now your most talented player in the locker room by far and thus has no one to keep his ego in check. (Does Moss know that he's your first round pick in our league?) In Minnesota and New England he had someone above him on the totem pole who could keep him in line. Here, it's gonna be hard to find a player who commands Moss' respect and forces to cut the bull****.

Who says your lesser talented players cant be huge locker room presence type of guys? The draft is still young...there are a lot of guys still available that will be considered great leaders...btw - Moss leads by example.

[BobboFitos]

I know who needle's #1 is, and i too am perplexed he's still around.

also, someone said moss can impact the game even more then rice... meh. both are just freaks and amazing. rice does have longevity, professionalism, and consistency over moss tho.

[DCIAce]

Favre is so underrated on this board. Steve Young (while a better pick for this purpose if you can just cherry-pick 1994, I guess) being a great pick at #6, while Favre is a "meh, I guess you have to" at #19 is just insane.

*snip* FAVRE GUD YOUNG OVERRATED *snip*

[BobboFitos]

just want to point out most of you are tards and keep mentioning players. the guy who lined up on the other side of moss, the guy who was on moss's team for a little bit and has had injury problems,..