NFL Modern Era Draft: Discussion Thread - Page 4 - Sporting Events and Fantasy Sports

boltfan2185 · 10-05-2008, 05:22 PM

I would be more worried about if he can pass today's drug tests than today's linemen. He tested positive twice and admitted to using drugs as early as his 2nd year. I'm not sure how stuff like that works in this league.

**Needle77** · 10-05-2008, 05:22 PM

I would name players that played post LT that would have had the ability to neutralize him and there is no doubt in my mind that they could do it. I understand the guy's greatness, I think he is the greatest player to ever play tied with Jim Brown(who is not eligible to be drafted in this league).

Blocking schemes were made specifically for the hybrid player of LT. Schemes that do lead to disruptions coming from elsewhere but can be used to hopefully stop players.

BiiiiigChips · 10-05-2008, 05:22 PM

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Too much gap in my knowledge to answer this. IIRC teams didn't really focus on short drops and quicker passes and max protection type schemes as more do now. Martz is the only person running remotely similar offense as a bunch of teams did if not all the time at least partially. Maybe I'm way off on this idk. Who watched football in the 80s that wasnt like 5?

I think you are giving way too much credit to present day schemes which protection wise really haven't changed all that much. It still comes down to the LT stopping him from getting around the corner. There was 3 step drops and getting the ball out quick, double teams, chip blocks by a back and anything else you can think of to neutralize a rusher back during LT's career and he still got through all of it. He would be just as dominant today, believe that !

Assani Fisher · 10-05-2008, 05:23 PM

You guys seem to be arguing two different things:

EPiPen, vixticator, and Needle are saying that today's offensive schemes are different(in large part due to Taylor) and that would hurt Taylor

LuckyLloyd and BiiigChips are arguing that Taylor would've also benefited from today's advances in medicine, training techniques, etc. so that you can't say he'd automatically be worse against today's improved athletes.

I agree with both. You guys are acting as if they contradict each other, but they don't as they are two separate arguments.

with that said, even though I agree with the former point, I still would've taken him at #1 becuase he was simply THAT good.

vixticator · 10-05-2008, 05:23 PM

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The thing that made LT so special besides his obvious combo of size/speed/strength/toughness is that he was allowed to be matched up a lot vs the weakest blocker on the other team (the RB or TE). In today's game that wouldn't happen as much, I mean how many times do u see the great OLB's of today matched up vs RB's/TE's, sure it happens but it doesn't happen as often as it did when LT played.

He would still obv be a freak and the best LB in this league for sure, just not quiet as dominate.

Yeah this is what I was trying to say. Back then it was totally standard for the back or te to pick up a blitz. LT raped all of them. I imagine there wasn't a huge urgency to change your whole scheme because you played LT once or twice a year and this more or less worked reasonably well for other teams.

It was before zone blitzing destroyed the run and shoot and all that stuff.

Don't think running backs or tight ends were used nearly as much in passing game either.

BiiiiigChips · 10-05-2008, 05:24 PM

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No that is incorrect. You may only take them at an age from the 86-87 season or later.

Ohh okay. Thanks. I'm glad I asked then.

EPiPeN11 · 10-05-2008, 05:26 PM

Whats the deal with LT and steroids, anybody know? I tried to find out on google but all I could see was speculation that he did it but no proof.

BiiiiigChips · 10-05-2008, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher

LuckyLloyd and BiiigChips are arguing that Taylor would've also benefited from today's advances in medicine, training techniques, etc. so that you can't say he'd automatically be worse against today's improved athletes.

Actually I don't even care about the advance in medecine I'm just saying I don't think there is anything now that wan't available then scheme wise that would be make him significantly less dominant.

Assani Fisher · 10-05-2008, 05:27 PM

definitely glad you asked too, BiiigChips...would much rather people ask questions than not and make mistakes later on.

BiiiiigChips · 10-05-2008, 05:27 PM

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Whats the deal with LT and steroids, anybody know? I tried to find out on google but all I could see was speculation that he did it but no proof.

Roids was never really an issue for him as far as I can remember or anything I heard. His problem was hookers and blow.

Assani Fisher · 10-05-2008, 05:28 PM

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Whats the deal with LT and steroids, anybody know? I tried to find out on google but all I could see was speculation that he did it but no proof.

You guys are free to evaluate players however you wish. But for me personally, I am not going to hold steroids against any player(unless it was proven AND that player dropped off considerably after coming off steroids) because it will just lead to a ton of arguments where all we are doing is speculating.

**Needle77** · 10-05-2008, 05:29 PM

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Actually I don't even care about the advance in medecine I'm just saying I don't think there is anything now that wan't available then scheme wise that would be make him significantly less dominant.

LT created the mix 7 step protection which NFL teams use now where the Center can cut back to help the left tackle.

That is just 1.

vixticator · 10-05-2008, 05:30 PM

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Whats the deal with LT and steroids, anybody know? I tried to find out on google but all I could see was speculation that he did it but no proof.

LT was on any and every drug that exists, simultaneously afaik.

nath · 10-05-2008, 06:04 PM

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Wow, forgot how fun these drafts are....I already know exactly who I'm hoping will fall to me and I'm sure I'll be sweating it out with each and every pick

hehe, yeah they are! i know who i'd be targeting if i had your pick, but up at 5 it's gonna be a little different. also i don't know what direction you're planning to go.

vixticator · 10-05-2008, 06:07 PM

It'll be interesting to see when my #1 player is picked. Actually it's super close between 3 players.