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Old 10-12-2008, 05:26 PM   #1696
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Re: NFL Modern Era Draft: Discussion Thread

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I know you guys really want some of my opinions on this draft :

It should be A and it's not even close, that's what they do in the real draft, and every other choice is basically just wrong/unfair.

Just because QB is by far the most valuable position, doesn't mean they should be drafted as such. The difference in values between the #1 LT and #30 LT is >> #1 QB vs #30, for example. These kind of drafts is ALL about marginal value.
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I just think systems have played a role in the success of a lot of great QBs, obviously those who sustained success for many years are obviously more talented and most of the guys selected are very talented.

For arguments sake, let's say you rate QBs 1-10, 99-90 reversed order respectively. Than you have CB1 who is rated 100, and CB2 who is rated 90, and CB3 is rated 80 and CB10 is rated 0, and all the guys in between. Let's say QB is much more important than CB and so on and so forth. Let's say there are 10 teams, what makes more sense, to pick QB1 and get CB10 or pick CB1 and QB10 for the overall talent of the team. Can you see that eventhough QB is more important if there is a superstar at that position that is significantly better than anyone at that position, it's more advantageous to draft him than it would be a bunch players at a position with a bunch of great players. Honestly QB32 isn't going to be that great, I started listing them yesterday and after a certain point they aren't that great, I just think QB talent level is much more level than at other positions while the differences between superstars at other positions is so much more apparent
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Old 10-12-2008, 05:27 PM   #1697
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I know for a fact BigChips is targetting one guy only and right now I would love nothing more than for Franchise to come back and take BigChips guy to teach him a lesson not to be freaking slow when someone gets skipped ldo
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Old 10-12-2008, 05:29 PM   #1698
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I know for a fact BigChips is targetting one guy only and right now I would love nothing more than for Franchise to come back and take BigChips guy to teach him a lesson not to be freaking slow when someone gets skipped ldo
What's the procedure for that? If he comes in here and says "I'm taking X," does that officially count, or does it have to be posted in the picks thread?
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Old 10-12-2008, 05:30 PM   #1699
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What's the procedure for that? If he comes in here and says "I'm taking X," does that officially count, or does it have to be posted in the picks thread?
pretty sure it's the first person between Franchise and BigChips that says hes taking X (in either this thread or picks thread) which counts
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Old 10-12-2008, 05:40 PM   #1700
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I'm taking Richard Dent. I'll have the write up posted in the other thread in a moment. Sorry it took so long from the time I asked the question but I got busy at home with something.
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Old 10-12-2008, 05:45 PM   #1701
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eh dont like the Dent pick there are a lot more very good/great pass rushers than people think and u even miss out on Dent's by far best year in 1985.
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Old 10-12-2008, 05:46 PM   #1702
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Team MacGuyV/AC-Cobra takes Aeneas Williams, write up soon
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Old 10-12-2008, 05:47 PM   #1703
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<3 Aeneas, one of my favorite players growing up, sad that the Cardinals wasted his talents on such crappy teams.
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Old 10-12-2008, 05:52 PM   #1704
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Team Biiiiig Chips Round 2 Pick 52 Defensive End - Richard Dent







SuperUberBob stated that he didn't think Doleman would be around when he picked if he didn't trade and I totally agree. The pickings are getting slim for elite DEs and I had my choices narrowed down to Richard Dent and Doleman. I was going back and forth with it so SUB basically made the decision for me by taking Doleman. I was happy to get either one so I can't complain too much. As far as my team I decided to build aroudn defense so I went with a lockdown corner at #1 and I'm going with an elite pass rusher at #2. I like the way my defense is shaping up right now.

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Richard Dent Bio from HOF Website.

An eighth-round draft pick out of Tennessee State, rookie defensive end Richard Dent immediately exceeded the Chicago Bears' expectations.Dent played in every game as a rookie in 1983 and even started in three.The following year, he became a permanent starter at right end. That year he recorded a team record 17.5 sacks which was also the most of any defender in the NFC. Making his accomplishment even more significant is the fact that he was a starter in only the final 10 games of the season. Appropriately, he was named to the first of his four Pro Bowls and earned All-Pro and All-NFC honors as well.

For Dent, the 1984 season was the beginning of a remarkable 10-year period during which he recorded 10 or more sacks in eight of the next ten seasons including five consecutive (1984-1988). His only double digit misses during that period came in 1989 when he logged 9 sacks, and in 1992 when he added 8.5 more.

Dent’s NFC leading 17.5 sacks in 1984 was immediately followed up with an NFL best 17 sacks in 1985. That year the Bears trounced the New England Patriots in Super Bowl XX. Dent’s Super Bowl performance – three tackles, 1.5 sacks, and two forced fumbles – earned him Most Valuable Player honors. In the two playoff games against the New York Giants and Los Angeles Rams, building up to the Super Bowl, he was credited with a combined total of nine tackles and 4.5 sacks. In the 1986 season, Dent registered 11.5 sacks, 7.5 of which came during the final seven games.

Twice – once in 1984 and then again in 1987 – the Bears’ pass rushing specialist, dropped Los Angeles Raiders quarterbacks for a career high 4.5 sacks in a single game. Chicago’s defenses of the mid-to-late 1980s ranks as one of the best of all time. Dent, a pass-rushing force, was a dominant player on a dominant defense. “He’ll make the guy in front of him know he’s in for a day’s work,” former Philadelphia Eagles head coach Ray Rhodes said of Dent when he signed him late in his career.

At the time of his retirement, Dent’s 137.5 career sack total was third behind Reggie White and Bruce Smith. Additional career statistics – including seasons with the San Francisco49ers (1994), Indianapolis Colts (1996), and Eagles (1997) – include 8 interceptions, a safety, and fumble recovery for a touchdown. Four times he was named first- or second-team All-Pro, five times All-NFC, and selected to play in four Pro Bowls (1985, 1986, 1991, and 1994).
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Old 10-12-2008, 05:54 PM   #1705
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eh dont like the Dent pick there are a lot more very good/great pass rushers than people think and u even miss out on Dent's by far best year in 1985.
Aren't we drafting players at ages and not necessarily seasons? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Richard Dent wasn't any significantly better/worse of a football player in 85 than 86 or vice versa.
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Aren't we drafting players at ages and not necessarily seasons? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Richard Dent wasn't any significantly better/worse of a football player in 85 than 86 or vice versa.
Ok fair enough, I just think people are wrong when they think DE is ridiculously shallow
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Old 10-12-2008, 05:58 PM   #1707
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Ok fair enough, I just think people are wrong when they think DE is ridiculously shallow
i agree 100%
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Old 10-12-2008, 06:00 PM   #1708
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I like the Aeneas Williams pick a lot. I remember being like 13 or so and reading about how underrated he was by most football fans because he played for such a crummy Arizona team. I was hoping people would forget about him and I could snatch him as my top corner later on.
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Old 10-12-2008, 06:01 PM   #1709
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Yeah...Williams was a stud.
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Old 10-12-2008, 06:02 PM   #1710
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Ok fair enough, I just think people are wrong when they think DE is ridiculously shallow
Ohh I don't think it's ridiculously shallow I just think he's worthy of a 2nd round pick and he's one of the top handful of DEs in the draft. Alot of that has to do with the fact his career is over so we know exactly what he is/was. There are some current and recent retired guys that are really good too that you wouldn't be ashamed at all to have as your DEs. I'm already targeting a couple that I hope slide to me.
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