NFL Modern Era Draft: Discussion Thread

[SMIGLET]

speaking of trades, im open to trading down pretty much anything in the 4th round and beyond, please feel free to make offers to me at any time (everyone)

[BobboFitos]

assani, do you really think any of them will agree to that? something like 3 now for 3 later x2 may make sense, but that is just robbery.

[SuperUberBob]

I guess picking Doleman was another unsexy, standard pick by me.

[SuperUberBob]

BTW, my current team

OT - Anthony Munoz (1987)
DE - Chris Doleman (1989)

[BobboFitos]

Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

I guess picking Doleman was another unsexy, standard pick by me.

It's kinda sexy i guess. i dunno. it's hard to evaluate combos in this draft, esp. when people go 1 o 1 d. in the nba draft it made alot more sense because chemistry between your top 2 players is of the utmost. here it almost doesn't matter outside of a qb-wr, ol-ol, lt-qb, rb-fb, etc. relationship.

you obv are building both lines and have a great building block for both, so you're off to a good start, but what can people say aside from:
1. you got one of the BPA
2. you probably got the BPABP (best player available by position?)
3. he probably fell 5ish picks, as he is upper 2nd round value

so, well done

[SMIGLET]

ya, single picks right now are largely irrelevant until offensive/defensive clusters start to show up. the greatness of one player can easily be negated or multiplied thanks to whoever is playing next to him

imo basically its hard to call any pick good or bad until we see more plyers drafted

[NameOnTheCake]

I want to pick again so bad.

[SMIGLET]

Originally Posted by EvanJC

I want to pick again so bad.

i know the feeling

i might just go do one on madden soon

[Assani Fisher]

Originally Posted by BobboFitos

assani, do you really think any of them will agree to that? something like 3 now for 3 later x2 may make sense, but that is just robbery.

Its not robbery if they still get the player they want.

Basically thats what it boils down to: In most rounds, you will still get the player you want if you move back 3 picks. So if you can do that in one round and then you can move up in another round and get a player that you wouldn't have gotten then its a huge plus for you. And since I'm giving them the option to chose whenever they want to move up, its more likely that them moving up will get them a player they wouldn't have otherwise gotten because they can look at the team needs of the players drafting ahead of them and make an informed decision.

Conversely, if I would've gotten the player I wanted without moving up in this round then its a minus for me(but I'm not sure if I will or not).


cliff notes: Yes moving up in the 2nd round is better than moving up in a later round. However, I'm giving them the ability to chose when they will move up so its more likely that their moving up will actually help them get a player they would've missed out on.

[Jeff W]

Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

I guess picking Doleman was another unsexy, standard pick by me.

Great player who should be in the HOF.

[MacGuyV]

Assani I get what you're saying but the deeper this gets the more likely need is to trump bpa and the more likely our needs are to be different so we're not going to do that.

[Assani Fisher]

Originally Posted by MacGuyV

Assani I get what you're saying but the deeper this gets the more likely need is to trump bpa and the more likely our needs are to be different so we're not going to do that.

Fair enough. If you are interested in moving down then let me know what you'd like in return other than what I offered.

[ProfessorBen]

Originally Posted by Assani Fisher

From 1999-2006, the points allowed by the Ravens' defense:

1999: 277
2000: 165
2001: 265
2002: 354
2003: 281
2004: 268
2005: 299
2006: 201

Ray Lewis played 14+ games in every season except two: 2002(5 games played) and 2005(6 games played).



Note: For the sake of honesty, I will admit that the Ravens defense was absolutely horrendous in 2007 with Ray Lewis, although he was 32 years old then so I think its probably better to just look at his prime since this draft focuses on having a player for one year only.

Seriously? This is like one of those Sportscenter graphics they show that we all know doesn't mean much.

PA doesn't adjust for strength of schedule, downs/drives/time of possession against, starting field position via offensive turnovers and special teams, field position setup for the offense on stops, point scoring contributions by the defense via TD returns and safeties, luck, etc. That's without even mentioning exactly which games Lewis didn't play, the quality of his replacement in those games, games at the end of the season which may or may not be meaningless to the opponent, sample size(i could go on and on).

[ProfessorBen]

Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

BTW, my current team

OT - Anthony Munoz (1987)
DE - Chris Doleman (1989)

Michael Lewis s your team.

someone please tell me to redact this name, would be lol

[Assani Fisher]

Originally Posted by ProfessorBen

Seriously? This is like one of those Sportscenter graphics they show that we all know doesn't mean much.

PA doesn't adjust for strength of schedule, downs/drives/time of possession against, starting field position via offensive turnovers and special teams, field position setup for the offense on stops, point scoring contributions by the defense via TD returns and safeties, luck, etc. That's without even mentioning exactly which games Lewis didn't play, the quality of his replacement in those games, games at the end of the season which may or may not be meaningless to the opponent, sample size(i could go on and on).

I agree that it was a very easy and quick way to evaluate things. If you'd like to do a more detailed breakdown, then by all means be my guest. As a Ravens fan(I'm going off memory here), I think you'll find that nearly every Ravens defense was very good except for the 2002 one when Lewis was hurt. In 2002 they were way below average.