I think WRs will be drafted: C. Davis > M. Williams > J. Ross

so J. Ross at #5 seems a bit much and McCaffrey #2 is pretty WTF. I think Fournette will go top 10.

I don't care about counting statistics nearly as much as you do, I guess. What impresses me isn't his INT total, it's his ridiculous range, instincts for the ball in the air, and closing speed / willingness to make tackles.

Yeah McCaffrey is good but SF should just trade down to like 10 with a QB needy team like Buffalo, NYJ, Cleveland, Ari. Grab a 1st next year and still get their guy.

McCaffrey would be pretty good on SF though.......

Well we're splitting hairs here because I think he's good too but 5 of his 7 INTS came against Lol

Bowling Green State
Tulsa
Indiana
Nebraska

I like to see prospects perform good against the better competition they play.

Why spend a top 10 pick on him in this draft? Budda Baker is just as good and he'll be available when some of these teams are picking in the second. Plus there's going to be starters at FS available all the way into the late 3rd.

I probably look at him around 28ish. Adoree Jackson, Kevin King, Obi, Peppers, Lattimore all have to be gone though or I'm taking them.

I would think teams are far more concerned with where you can play in their nickel and sub defenses than alignments that are hardly used.

Anyone think Peppers will be anything special? One interception his entire career?

Feel like there's always 15 teams trying to trade down and three or four looking to move up.

I watched his Michigan film and came away very impressed. He's all over the field making plays. And his range can't be discounted; there's Earl Thomas equity there.

Why spend a top pick on any prospect? There are always good players at those positions later.

I don't think Baker is as good or the same kind of player. He's a great playmaker but he doesn't have Hooker's range. Lattimore is the only guy you listed I'd consider over Hooker.

Well, yes and no. The distinctions are murkier since teams spend so much time in nickel, but some teams and schemes still have a preferred base front. (Wade Phillips and Romeo Crennel's defenses being good examples of committed 3-4s; the Steelers as well.)

More to the point with San Francisco, no matter what front they play I'm not sure how you get Thomas, Armstead, and Buckner all on the field at once. Maybe some sort of "3-4" where Thomas is like a wide-9 rusher but for 275 pounds that seems weird.

Yeah Hooker would have to be a Earl Thomas type of player to pay off taking him in the top 10. The drafts way to deep at S and CB this year. There might be a team that values him that high though.

And yet you're obsessed with picking Obi this high because of his performance in shorts?

FYI, if you don't know about it yet and you want to do your own film scouting, Draft Breakdown is a resource without peer in that regard.

Coupled with his tape, what he did at the senior bowl, and his combine he's one of the best CB/S prospects I've seen in the last 10 years. So yes I'd happily draft obi in the top 10. He should be the first DB off the board this year imo.

Can you imagine the possibilities of a 6'4 220+ pound lock down CB with a 44 inch vert that runs a 4.4. I mean Obi is nearly as big as Mike Evans but he's faster and jumps higher.

it's nice to imagine those possibilities but he's almost exclusively a Safety so it's a massive projection and nothing else. He's clearly an amazing athlete but so was Taylor Mays and he was a below average starter in the NFL despite playing at the highest level in college and being (I think) a 3 time All American

you mentioned up thread how you wanted to downgrade the elite prospects (I think it was Garrett but it may have been others too) because their stats were padded against less than elite teams and yet here you're bigging up a guy that played in the AAC, where his coverage instincts were already criticised and you want him to change position when he goes pro to a position that focuses far more on coverage

it's like you start with their combine performance and then begin looking for a few film clips to back up the erection you've gotten over their times/scores, which is utterly ridiculous.

This is what I do and I like my success doing it. I could name a lot of players I was high on that have done well and of course there are players I've missed on but I like my success rate.

Word out of the senior bowl is Obi showed he can play CB in the practices and I believe whoever drafts him is at least going to try him out there. I think he has a good chance of succeeding there. If he doesn't he'll be one of the best SS in the league in a couple years. Coaches just need to clean up his technique a little bit. What I saw was a guy that surged down the stretch. Obi averaged 13.5 tackles a game his final 4 games and he had 4 INTs in his final 7.

Obi is a better athlete than Mays though we don't have his 3 cone/shuttle on mockdraftable.

There's only a few flawless athletic freaks like a von miller that we ever see.

Relying on film only and ignoring combine is what got me missing on ziggy ansah years back. It's not a useless tool even if it at least used to be WAY over relied on. (hi al davis) Probably still is over relied on due to recency bias. Best usage is as a filter more or less especially as an edge rusher. (that is why vic beasley was my #1 overall in the 15 draft, that made me look like a complete idiot for a year, now it looks pretty good, how it goes I guess in football at times, just don't let me draft QB's)

I feel Obi is athletically more like a FS than a SS. He just isn't that strong. (didn't see tape so don't @ me on this)

Loved Beasley coming out too.

Jordan Willis has virtually identical combine numbers and great tape.

Mays 4.41 was a huge disappointment at the time and iirc he was a 41 vert at heavier weight. Maybe Obi can jump longer but Mays was an all world athlete

Mays had 3 cone just avg, shuttle kinda poor. When I use the freak athlete phrase I mean that for every god damn category that exists.

took a quick look at jamal adams--he lives to hurt people. NFL scouts have to love him. He reminds me kinda of Mark Barron but think he's way smarter/better vision than he had. Hope he goes to a non stupid DC. Gotta be a SS or maybe a barron like hybrid for the NFL. That's how he plays.

maybe I'm just a natural pessimist but after 2 games on each skimming I don't like the top 3 S class like the scouting reports all seem to.

hooker's way too inconsistent for me and he's either great or ass with no real inbetween even taking into account single high stuff he was doing versus everyone else getting less of a field to cover. Adams getting mocked 3rd overall, to me he's a SS and maybe just only a box safety, seems ridic to take that in the top 5. Doesn't have the positional value.

obi has a WIL/lack of toughness component to him imo--he plays small but he's big. People wanna put him @ SS b/c of size--but I'm leaning FS b/c he can fly + lack of toughness. He's actually good at getting through holes in the trash but garbage and WIL once in it. Needs to stop being a little flat footed (QB watching?)--you can fly just do that.

All are still going to be first round picks for the NFL--but maybe I'd put them a little lower than consensus actually has them. Maybe Obi falls to 15th or so, idk I ain't doing a list screw it. He indeed might be better @ CB not at S too. Basically he has a super ridic wide range (highest upside and downside of round 1 secondary for sure I reckon) and nothing would surprise me, some picks are like this.

Majority of draft picks in the NFL are busts so what do I know.

Adams misses a lot of tackles. When he ran slow at the combine I didn't think he was a top 10 prospect. He does have elite closing speed and he has good technique. Then he supposedly ran a 4.33 40 at his pro day. He still misses a lot of tackles but he's a starter in this league. I wouldn't take him in the top 10 but he's probably in my top 32.

I came away with the same thought about Obi when I watched the tape because he doesn't hit as hard as Adams but make no mistake about it he is def a better tackler than Adams and it's not close. He doesn't miss tackles but he also doesn't make those bone jarring hits that get you noticed.

10 or more tackles in a game.

Obi - 12
Adams - 4

Helps when you play for a 3-9 team though

The more with adams the more I try to think of what I would do as an OC. I'm getting a burner and running right by him (where on earth did that 4.33 come from? I don't see that at all). For me he's the defensive equivalent of say Fournette, pretty great at what he does, but neither can play all 3 downs.

Didn't see adams miss a tackle in the 2 games I watched, hooker wiffed a handful of times since he likes to dive, NFL coaches are gonna be pissed at obi tho, they usually want physical/toughness first.

http://jetswire.usatoday.com/2017/04...sh-at-pro-day/


I agree that's what coaches like. They like they heat seeking missile that blows people up and jumps up and down thumping his chest. What's the difference though? Obi is a long strider and he just glides so it doesn't look like he's moving fast but he's flying. If he tackles a guy at the 40 yard line but it's not a big hit and Jamal Adams tackles the same guy on an identical play at the 41 yard line but he blows the guy up. Which tackle is more valuable?

Obi's agility numbers from his pro day compared to other DBs in the class
from an athletic standpoint it looks like he could play CB, slightly worrying 3 cone
couldn't find these results for Lattimore, Adoree Jackson, Hooker, Peppers, J. Lewis