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I've never really understood some of the QB picks.

The person is a confirmed imbecile.

You have to work with this imbecile on the hardest thing in the game, every day. You have to explain hard things to an imbecile, every day. Your future as a talent evaluator and/or coach will rest significantly upon your success in communicating these difficult things to this imbecile, and on your chosen imbecile's success in actually performing those difficult things after you somehow communicate them and after he somehow remembers them, if that ever happens.

You also need this confirmed imbecile to not do confirmed imbecile things off the field, because then he can't even help you on it, in the event that he somehow managed to be in a position to ever be helpful in the first place.

So how do you intentionally hire a confirmed imbecile, to whom you have to explain difficult things, and pay huge amounts of your available money, and whom you have to ask to do difficult things, and then expect anything other than the imbecile to be an imbecile until you fire him for being an imbecile?

Like, seriously. Top 1? Top 10? He's basically undraftable unless he's free.

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01-08-2015 , 07:50 AM

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SuperUberBob

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Winston gonna move up to stealing lobster if he gets drafted early.

He's also the next Akili Smith.

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01-08-2015 , 11:09 AM

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Cause Randy won a lot of super bowls. And why would u want an idiot that can't stay out of trouble with drugs when in college? What do you think he's going to do when he gets a lot of cash?

Yeah because lots of genius college athletes don't start out on this trajectory

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01-08-2015 , 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dkgojackets

along the lines of the "really fat guy playing goalie in hockey" question, how come no one can find a way to put some 7+ foot tree out there and let him run ten yard curl routes all day and you throw it really high (or in newton's case normally) to him. how would you defend it? just constantly try to time a hit with the ball?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajAQPl2qQos

Last edited by Michael888; 01-08-2015 at 11:15 AM. Reason: If that wasn't that obvious, answer: you jump

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01-08-2015 , 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Montecore

Peyton getting only a 28 aligns pretty neatly with this early profile that some of the youngs may not have seen re: him not being aware of anything outside of football:

So that delicious chicken parm sandwich was carry out?

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01-08-2015 , 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mjw0586

I think there should be legitimate concerns over Mariota's ability to read NFL defenses. He's just not asked to do it in college. He might be able to, but it's a giant question mark at this point.

It seems like this has to be really difficult to predict with nearly all prospects, and is probably one of the bigger reasons why so many QBs are busts. Unless the guy is exceedingly dumb, how does anyone really judge with any certainty whether a prospect can/will learn how to play QB at a high level? The wonderlic is clearly useless in this department, and scouts have proven they aren't very good at evaluating native intelligence.

I remember with RG3, scouts praised him for his work ethic, his native intelligence and the fact that he had a military background (lol). Well, he works super hard in the weight room, spent the first 2+ years of his career wildly overestimating his football knowledge/understanding and for the most part comes off as kind of a vapid person who uses a lot of catch phrases. Maybe someone more competent could have seen that RG3 isn't super, super sharp, but I don't see how anyone could predict things like 1) he only kills it in the weight room and 2) he's going to waste years of development by wildly overestimating himself.

IMO QB prospects should be given a lengthy and complex football/quarterbacking exam that comes with a bunch of study material in advance. Seems like that would show what they currently know and how competent they are at learning. Still would be imperfect, but it would at least be something.

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01-08-2015 , 02:10 PM

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i think rg3 would have been fine if shanahan didnt kill him in that playoff game

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01-08-2015 , 02:17 PM

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Yeah, I don't agree. Ran super hot in 2012 with the deep ball and had the advantage of teams being unprepared for read option. Washington was last in the NFL on 3rd and pass. His problems were evident that year, and Mike Shanahan alluded to RG3's lack of football knowledge on more than one occasion, and this was when they were succeeding and in good spirits.

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01-09-2015 , 01:34 PM

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So I can get Winston to NOT be taken in the top 3 +190, that's free money no?

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01-09-2015 , 01:37 PM

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I would love some of that. where is it?

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01-09-2015 , 01:48 PM

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Betsafe, though I haven't tried placing a bet yet to see how much they'll allow me to put down.

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01-09-2015 , 01:50 PM

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is his arm strength elite? no
is it better than teddyb? yes (and he doesn't need gloves)

from the perspective of 'has he done it in the past', i think your point is valid.
from the perspective of 'does he have the ability', i think he does.
oregon's offense isn't as simplistic as choosing either A or B. there is a need to think beyond that level. i would offer that based on his proven ability to make the correct decisions in oregon's 'simplistic' offense (referencing his interception percentage), he's more than a step ahead in his ability to make the right choice. he often has been required to throw to the third read.

bottom line: the kid is intelligent, works hard, and has tons of natural ability.
am i saying he's as advanced as andrew luck at this point in his career? nope.
do i think he has the potential to get there if put in the right environment? yep.
do i think he'll have the opportunity based on the teams that will likely draft him? this thought makes me sad.

edit to directly address mjw's point about reading nfl defenses.....how many college qbs do you think have had the opportunity, and/or expressed the ability, to do this?

Oregon's offense requires more reads than any offense in college football. The problem is that they are completely different reads than the NFL. He has to transition from LB and DE reads to coverage reads. The big question for me on Mariotta is can he make the throws into tight windows? Oregon's system gets players wide open, in the NFL that just doesn't happen that often.

As far as how many college QB's have a high ability to read defenses? Not very many and it is probably only going to get worse. Spread option is becoming more prevalent in college football, but the dual threat QB is not working in the NFL. You have to be able to throw the football in the NFL to be a successful QB. With fewer and fewer colleges and high schools running pro style offenses, I'm not sure where the next elite QB's are going to come from.

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01-15-2015 , 05:01 PM

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Cardale declared.

He's obviously one hell of a lotto ball and most likely way overdrafted. (QB's generally are (with good reason) but damn)

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01-15-2015 , 05:18 PM

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Cardale declared.

Or not.

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01-15-2015 , 05:19 PM

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Cardale declared.

He's obviously one hell of a lotto ball and most likely way overdrafted. (QB's generally are (with good reason) but damn)

Butnahhhh

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01-15-2015 , 05:25 PM

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https://twitter.com/donovanjmcnabb/s...18590700453888

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01-15-2015 , 06:23 PM

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I think I'm OK with not knowing wtf he's trying to say there.

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01-15-2015 , 07:59 PM

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twitter reporting is as dumb as cardale I see.

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01-16-2015 , 01:41 AM

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http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft...-mcshay-top-32

Jameis Winston

Analysis: If you base things purely off of Winston's game tape, he is the clear-cut No. 1 prospect in this class. He has very good arm strength and excels from the pocket, showing the ability to anticipate throws and make NFL-style reads. He also appears to be a very good on-field leader. The risk with Winston has to do with his well-documented off-field behavioral issues, and teams that consider drafting him will have to be comfortable with him from a character and psychological standpoint before taking him to be the face of the franchise.

Is the bolded true?

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01-16-2015 , 01:46 AM

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Buncha racists itt. Jameis GOAT and gonna continue to style on fools in the great state of FLORIDA.

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01-16-2015 , 01:59 AM

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I feel like Jameis going from 40/10 to 25/18 has to be concerning. Guess not having Kelvin Benjamin has quite an impact.

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01-16-2015 , 09:28 AM

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Jameis was certainly >> Mariota based on last year's game tape. Haven't watched enough of this year to make a definitive statement.

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01-16-2015 , 01:20 PM

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FSU has more of a pro style offense than many college teams so it has to be a concern that Jameis didn't dominate college in a similar but simplified system to what he'll presumably be asked to run against a far higher level of competition in the NFL.

That said, at least you can look at tape and see throws Jameis will be asked to make in the NFL and him making reads that approximate what he'll be doing. For Mariota it's all pure speculation about how well his ability to make the reads in the Oregon offense will translate to making entirely different kinds of reads in a new offense and whether his accuracy at Oregon will show up while making entirely different kinds of throws in the NFL. Aside from WR screens almost every throw Mariota will have to make in the NFL will be completely new to him.

If I was a GM and had to pick one I'd probably gamble and take Mariota. I wouldn't be all that shocked if Jameis goes before Mariota especially since Tampa is drafting #1 and I would imagine they've got a lot of fans who also like FSU.