NFL 2012 Offseason Thread

[Scherer716]

Originally Posted by nath

Chase Daniel broke his throwing thumb, which is worse for us, and also it is depressing that Chase Daniel getting hurt is now a significant injury.

I haven't seen him play, but how is losing a backup that will only play in blowouts, or if Brees is resting at the end of the season, bc the Saints have their playoff spot locked up, a significant injury? (not trying to be snotty either)

CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora has been told by team sources from the Rams, Panthers, Cowboys, Ravens, Raiders, and Jaguars that they are in no way interested in free agent Chad Ochocinco [...] That leaves the Bills and Dolphins as plausible destinations, but La Canfora gets the impression that Buffalo doesn't think the 34-year-old has much to offer...

@ Gonso, I had no idea Buffalo was even considering Chad (or visa versa) Probably would've been worth the very little risk to bring him on, since they have like no WRs after Stevie/Nelson. And Nelson's definitely not a #2, so Chad would've had plenty of chances to prove himself. He must be finished, though, if a team that is strongly lacking in WRs wouldn't even give him a shot.

Damn, it would be so awesome to lol @ chad all year too.

[ZBTHorton]

Originally Posted by Scherer716

I haven't seen him play, but how is losing a backup that will only play in blowouts, or if Brees is resting at the end of the season, bc the Saints have their playoff spot locked up, a significant injury? (not trying to be snotty either)

It's fairly significant right now, since Brees isn't in camp. They need someone to run things in OTA's and stuff.

[Scherer716]

Fair enough. I guess. I just don't see OTA's being very important. (it's good for rooks, i suppose, and players getting back in to shape)

But, I also fully expect Brees to be in training camp.

[clowntable]

I haven't seen him play, but how is losing a backup that will only play in blowouts, or if Brees is resting at the end of the season, bc the Saints have their playoff spot locked up, a significant injury? (not trying to be snotty either)

This

It's fairly significant right now, since Brees isn't in camp. They need someone to run things in OTA's and stuff.

There's a small chance Brees holds out.

[aggo]

Is brees squabbling over a couple million or are the saints refusing to give him the amount of years he wants or something?

[Salva135]

Originally Posted by ZBTHorton

It's fairly significant right now, since Brees isn't in camp. They need someone to run things in OTA's and stuff.

Well it's not important right now technically, bc there's nothing going on now until training camp. Saints skipped their last day of mini-camp to go and play golf.

Also, BB faxed interim coach Joe Vitt about joint Saints-Pats practices in Foxboro in August, prior to their preseason game (they did it in 2010, was a huge success). That would make for some fun press conferences.

[nath]

Originally Posted by Scherer716

I haven't seen him play, but how is losing a backup that will only play in blowouts, or if Brees is resting at the end of the season, bc the Saints have their playoff spot locked up, a significant injury? (not trying to be snotty either)

Until Brees signs a contract, I'm not making any assumptions on his availability for the season.

[Noze]

Originally Posted by aggo

Is brees squabbling over a couple million or are the saints refusing to give him the amount of years he wants or something?

They're more than likely waiting on an arbitration ruling about whether he's considered a a first year franchise player (as the Saints contend) or a second year franchise player (as Brees/agent contend) since that effects leverage somewhat. The wording of the CBA is vague regarding if the franchise designation from year to year has to be used by the same team in order to trigger the higher payday for a second year franchise player, as the last time Brees was franchised it was by the Chargers and not the Saints. This ruling should come sometime in late June.

[TheNoodleMan]

Originally Posted by nath

Until Brees signs a contract, I'm not making any assumptions on his availability for the season.

That's fair, but in all likelihood you're ****ed with anyone other than Brees, right? The dropoff from Daniel to whoever is 3rd string is probably much less than Brees to Daniel.

[nath]

Originally Posted by TheNoodleMan

That's fair, but in all likelihood you're ****ed with anyone other than Brees, right? The dropoff from Daniel to whoever is 3rd string is probably much less than Brees to Daniel.

Most likely. Daniel is on his 4th year with the team, though, and would be entering his 3rd year as the #2 guy. The coaches obviously feel he's capable enough to keep him around that long, so the dropoff may not be as steep as us fans think.

[Richard Tanner]

Originally Posted by Noze

They're more than likely waiting on an arbitration ruling about whether he's considered a a first year franchise player (as the Saints contend) or a second year franchise player (as Brees/agent contend) since that effects leverage somewhat. The wording of the CBA is vague regarding if the franchise designation from year to year has to be used by the same team in order to trigger the higher payday for a second year franchise player, as the last time Brees was franchised it was by the Chargers and not the Saints. This ruling should come sometime in late June.

The wording really isn't that vague at all. When read by anyone other than a lawyer, it comes across as meaning "franchised by the same team" not just in general.

If he does hold out, just tank for the #1 pick. Worked ok before...

[Riverman]

Originally Posted by nath

Most likely. Daniel is on his 4th year with the team, though, and would be entering his 3rd year as the #2 guy. The coaches obviously feel he's capable enough to keep him around that long, so the dropoff may not be as steep as us fans think.

lolwat

it would be a peyton manning / colts level disaster

[Franchise 60]

Originally Posted by Salva135

WRT to Ballard, the Giants tried to get cute, threw a guy they liked through waivers to avoid keeping on their 90-man, assuming it would be NBD so they could eventually PUP him, and BB swooped in and snagged him when no one was paying attention. Lesson: pay attention or plan better if you actually plan to retain a player. 30 other teams had a chance at him, too. BB was the last line of resistance on the wire line.

Coughlin and Reese were less than pleased:

“I could explain it but I don’t want to explain it because it’s really irrelevant at this point,’’ general manager Jerry Reese said on SiriusXM NFL Radio.

Asked why the Giants didn’t simply keep Ballard protected on the roster, Coughlin snapped.

“Don’t ask me those questions,” he said. “I’m not the ... I don’t have the answers for you. We’re all disappointed, that’s all.’’

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giant...content=Giants


Cue the "Elite" pics...

Bout time the Pats got a win against us, too bad it wasn't in the Super Bowl.

[nath]

Originally Posted by Riverman

lolwat

it would be a peyton manning / colts level disaster

how would you know?

[Salva135]

Originally Posted by Franchise 60

Bout time the Pats got a win against us, too bad it wasn't in the Super Bowl.

Heyooo!