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11-19-2014 , 01:39 AM
lol headlines

"Graham, Johnson lead No. 15 VCU over Toledo 87-78"

Weber almost had a quadruple double.

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11-19-2014 , 01:43 AM
Lol briante weber is such a baller
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11-19-2014 , 02:56 AM
I think there are ways to at least have a chance against Kentucky. Basically teams have to realize that there's no point in crashing the Offensive glass. Let them win the rebounding battle because they're going to anyways, and just focus on getting back on transition D. If UK has a weakness, it's their ability to execute in the half court offense. They're vulnerable against a team that defends well, rebounds well enough to not let UK get O-Reb's with impunity, and can shoot from outside on offense. It's a very tough recipe to get together, but I think Wisconsin is the team that UK least wants to see in their bracket.
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11-19-2014 , 03:42 AM
Its an open race for a couple of teams when it comes down to who is going to finish 2nd in the B1G behind Wisconsin, but man Ohio State looked good tonight.

Gotta think they're the favorite to come in 2nd right now.
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11-19-2014 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141
I think there are ways to at least have a chance against Kentucky. Basically teams have to realize that there's no point in crashing the Offensive glass. Let them win the rebounding battle because they're going to anyways, and just focus on getting back on transition D. If UK has a weakness, it's their ability to execute in the half court offense. They're vulnerable against a team that defends well, rebounds well enough to not let UK get O-Reb's with impunity, and can shoot from outside on offense. It's a very tough recipe to get together, but I think Wisconsin is the team that UK least wants to see in their bracket.
Kansas got 20 (yes, TWENTY!) offensive rebounds last night. They only lost the overall battle 47-42 despite Kentucky missing 12 fewer FGs than they did.

Kentucky only had 32 defensive rebounds and that is on 45 total misses from the field and 12 from the line (of which I assume 7 were either the front end or second shot based on total KU oreb and UK dreb). I don't remember any Kansas offensive rebounds off missed FTs and these are so hard to get even if you are vastly physically superior that they should almost be discounted. Even if you count the missed FTs attempts with rebound possibilities as half an attempt you have Kansas rebounding 20/48.5 misses or 41.2% of their total chances.

If anything, Kentucky goes for too many blocks and is prone to so much help defense that it leaves the weak side glass susceptible to being exploited. I think that it would be a severe mistake for teams to not chase misses, especially ones that come from post ups, drives, or midrange pull ups. Sure, you get back on 3s, but that's about it imo.

They are not very disciplined on defense from what I can tell. They ball watch and the first rotation is usually there, but I am not sure that they rotate on the back end well enough to not be vulnerable to the drive and kick then swing to the open man.

I would say it is almost as much the intimidation and raw physicality that gives them the biggest edge over other good teams. Good coaches with the right tools (obviously you'll need a lot of talent to have a realistic chance) should be able to give them a run for their money.
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11-19-2014 , 11:23 AM
This is the best argument I've seen against Kentucky

Joe Ovies @joeovies · 1h 1 hour ago
1) Never trust college kids to have that level of focus for a full season. 2) NCAA Tournament is a crapshoot.
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11-19-2014 , 11:31 AM
NCAA tournament didn't seem like much of a crapshoot in 2010 when Kentucky curb stomped everyone
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11-19-2014 , 11:33 AM
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NCAA tournament didn't seem like much of a crapshoot in 2010 when Kentucky curb stomped everyone
I agree. That was the one year where the best team prevailed. Experience, leadership, grit, determination, toughness, and team unity went a long way in 2010. Also, Brian Zoubek.
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11-19-2014 , 11:37 AM
lol whoops. I meant 2012
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11-19-2014 , 12:31 PM
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I agree. That was the one year where the best team prevailed. Experience, leadership, grit, determination, toughness, and team unity went a long way in 2010. Also, Brian Zoubek.
A+
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11-19-2014 , 04:48 PM
Is Arizona's starting 5 > Kentucky's? Is that more important come tournament time?

Referencing this article by Titus - http://grantland.com/the-triangle/20...on-washington/
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11-19-2014 , 10:40 PM
lets see if i can post in the right thread. creighton on an insane run, was not expecting that at all

chatman can hold his own as the feature player

gonna be a fun game in a week or two
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11-19-2014 , 11:00 PM
arizona's starting 5 might not be better than 5 anteaters.
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11-19-2014 , 11:02 PM
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lets see if i can post in the right thread. creighton on an insane run, was not expecting that at all

chatman can hold his own as the feature player

gonna be a fun game in a week or two
when i saw that happen the first thing i thought was "oh god, i wonder how schu feels about this..."

then i remembered it's nebrasketball, not oklahoma and i felt much better.
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11-20-2014 , 12:45 AM
guys i realize that st joes is terrible... but gonzaga is sooooooo good this year.
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11-20-2014 , 01:14 AM
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guys i realize that st joes is terrible... but gonzaga is sooooooo good this year.
gonzaga is leading st. joes 60-11 in the 2nd half lol wow.
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11-20-2014 , 01:18 AM
are the gonzaga walkons in yet?
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11-20-2014 , 01:28 AM
Nigel Hayes can shoot 3's now

gl trying to guard him
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11-20-2014 , 01:56 AM
yea "#13" Gonzaga confirmed good. can't wait til they play in Tucson.
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11-20-2014 , 02:27 AM
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lets see if i can post in the right thread. creighton on an insane run, was not expecting that at all

chatman can hold his own as the feature player

gonna be a fun game in a week or two
Really bizarre betting line for this one. CU was picked 9th out of 10 in the Big East, but the game opens as a pickem? It was eventually bet up to OU -4.5 and even that I think was not enough. Yah CU won, with an improbable, but epic run, but I think OU runs them out of the gym a decent % of the time.

CU already seemed massively overrated by Vegas and this win should create some nice fade opportunities in the coming weeks.
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11-20-2014 , 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by MonsterJMcgee
NCAA tournament didn't seem like much of a crapshoot in 2010 when Kentucky curb stomped everyone
2010 is actually a prime example of how what should of been a curbstomping by UK turned into an elite 8 loss.

Run crazy hot on shooting 3's, pack it in on defense and give UK wide open 3's. It was pretty much the only way to beat UK in '10, WVU did exactly that, and it worked.

That is probably how to beat us this year, but we do have better shooters in the Harrisons and Booker.
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11-20-2014 , 08:34 AM
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2010 is actually a prime example of how what should of been a curbstomping by UK turned into an elite 8 loss.

Run crazy hot on shooting 3's, pack it in on defense and give UK wide open 3's. It was pretty much the only way to beat UK in '10, WVU did exactly that, and it worked.

That is probably how to beat us this year, but we do have better shooters in the Harrisons and Booker.
Also helps that we started like 0-20 from 3 in that game. Easily the worst shooting night all year for that team.
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11-20-2014 , 09:58 AM
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arizona's starting 5 might not be better than 5 anteaters.
Sidestepping the question. Interesting.
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11-20-2014 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by chuckleslovakian
2010 is actually a prime example of how what should of been a curbstomping by UK turned into an elite 8 loss.

Run crazy hot on shooting 3's, pack it in on defense and give UK wide open 3's. It was pretty much the only way to beat UK in '10, WVU did exactly that, and it worked.

That is probably how to beat us this year, but we do have better shooters in the Harrisons and Booker.
I don't know. Maybe I'm being results-oriented but it didn't seem like there was enough negative variance in the world to stop Anthony Davis et al in 2012. Wasn't their closest tournament game by like 10 points?

Not that the NCAA tournament isn't a crapshoot 99.9% of the time, but in the rare cases when a college team fields an NBA roster, it seems like they can withstand a ton of variance.
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11-20-2014 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by MonsterJMcgee
I don't know. Maybe I'm being results-oriented but it didn't seem like there was enough negative variance in the world to stop Anthony Davis et al in 2012. Wasn't their closest tournament game by like 10 points?

Not that the NCAA tournament isn't a crapshoot 99.9% of the time, but in the rare cases when a college team fields an NBA roster, it seems like they can withstand a ton of variance.
Closest games were beating IU by 12 (went 35-37 from the line), beating Louisville by 8 in a game that was tied with 9 minutes left, beating Kansas by 8. To be fair, they were winning almost all the time, which tends for whatever reason to be a statistical drag on efficiency, and they locked the games up when they got close. But 5 semi-competitive rounds is a lot of games; that team was only 40% to ship even if they were 90%, 85%, 85%, 80%, 75% faves round by round.

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