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Old 05-19-2017, 09:22 AM   #8576
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Fair enough, replace embiid with lowry and I think we got it
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:18 AM   #8577
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If you're gonna deal IT then why keep Horford in his age 31 season as a declining asset?

Why keep Bradley when he is about to be a FA and is going to command 4/90ish?

Then if you do that, why keep Crowder at 3/20 when that isn't really the tremendous value to you that it would be for a contending team?

If you're not going to keep IT and replace him with a 19 year old, you're probably winning 10 less games anyway. Then what? You lose rd 1? Seems pointless.

And when you've got guys like Fultz, Brown, other young players, it isn't like you are the Sixers. You're more like the TWolves. A team of young up and coming guys, you can sell that to fans and I'm sure Brad is on board with that.
This is certainly an exceptional case. There's a strong argument for "rebuilding" imo. And as AI McLove already pointed out, ceiling is way more important than floor due to the Ricky Bobby principle. But this just destroys the C's floor and goes way too far. Way too far.
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:43 AM   #8578
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Fair enough, replace embiid with lowry and I think we got it
You calling the guy who got an eversion sprain of his ankle, went to the locker room and then ran away from the trainers on one leg to re-enter the game a p***y?
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:53 AM   #8579
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yeah, it's outrageous that players' salaries are at the whim of media voting
nothing wrong with it imo. nba is an entertainment product, placating the media is a worthwhile move. it mostly only matters for players who are already mega rich anyway
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:06 AM   #8580
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let the fans vote then (this would be lol too obv)
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:42 AM   #8581
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Third team seems so mediocre aren't there better players than derozan and Jordan
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:43 AM   #8582
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Old 05-19-2017, 12:02 PM   #8583
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let the fans vote then (this would be lol too obv)
afaik fans do (did?) have some ability to influence contract value already via allstar selections (rose rule)

minor influence like that isn't too bad
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Old 05-19-2017, 02:25 PM   #8584
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You calling the guy who got an eversion sprain of his ankle, went to the locker room and then ran away from the trainers on one leg to re-enter the game a p***y?
reminds me of the time lowry ran away from a game with 3 min left in the half to "clear his head" in the locker room. not sure i've ever seen anyone do that, but craptors last 3 years playoff regressions are also unprecedented, so we're just in a golden era i guess.
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Old 05-19-2017, 03:29 PM   #8585
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Dumb Q but if CP3 isn't all-NBA then why is he eligible for the super max but George/Hayward aren't?
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Old 05-19-2017, 03:48 PM   #8586
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@KC/other-Boston-slappies:

Knicks forums are rife with ebolaids ideas for trading KP to the Celts for the #1 with collateral stuff to make weight depending on viewpoint.

Setting aside how badly Ainge would gape Jackson in a real life negotiation, (a) is KP something Celts would desire? (b) if so what would be 'just value' here?
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Old 05-19-2017, 03:56 PM   #8587
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Dumb Q but if CP3 isn't all-NBA then why is he eligible for the super max but George/Hayward aren't?
that's the 10year veteran extension.

He made it the last 2 seasons anyway so he'd have been eligible even if he wasn't a veteran
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Old 05-19-2017, 04:59 PM   #8588
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reminds me of the time lowry ran away from a game with 3 min left in the half to "clear his head" in the locker room. not sure i've ever seen anyone do that, but craptors last 3 years playoff regressions are also unprecedented, so we're just in a golden era i guess.
He had to take a dump. You're searching for things that aren't there. He's one of the toughest players in the NBA and has never shied away from contact
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Old 05-19-2017, 05:13 PM   #8589
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which is why he gets hurt all the time

also, because he was fat

and now he's old
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Old 05-19-2017, 05:20 PM   #8590
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amazing Broussard quote today "the Warriors always have a big out there...except when they go small"
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Old 05-19-2017, 05:34 PM   #8591
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amazing Broussard quote today "the Warriors always have a big out there...except when they go small"
show me the lie tho
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Old 05-19-2017, 05:34 PM   #8592
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@KC/other-Boston-slappies:

Knicks forums are rife with ebolaids ideas for trading KP to the Celts for the #1 with collateral stuff to make weight depending on viewpoint.

Setting aside how badly Ainge would gape Jackson in a real life negotiation, (a) is KP something Celts would desire? (b) if so what would be 'just value' here?
Hmm this is actually very interesting. New York gets a player with perhaps a similar ceiling, but now they are out of pick hell they can bottom out and begin a proper rebuild. For the Celtics it gives them a little more "win now" and I could see KP being a great fit with Brad/Horford.

Assuming they have a crack at Hayward, I think they could field something that'd have a chance against Cleveland/GSW.

Wow I really like that trade for both sides, moreso for Boston but I think it's preferable for New York as well... I would think a straight up trade works too..


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amazing Broussard quote today "the Warriors always have a big out there...except when they go small"
Amazing.
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Old 05-19-2017, 05:37 PM   #8593
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Boston getting Hayward would be awesome. He's so perfect for them. IT/Bradley/Hayward/Crowder/Horford with Fultz as a super 6th man is dope.
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Old 05-19-2017, 05:45 PM   #8594
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Nah it's a dumb move imo. He raises his ceiling a bit but lowers his floor and when we're talking tens to hundreds of millions the floor is a lot more important

Odds are he'll be super rich either way obviously.


Big thing is it probably correlates strongly into investing his money Ina string of failed Lavar businesses down the line
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:05 PM   #8595
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@KC/other-Boston-slappies:

Knicks forums are rife with ebolaids ideas for trading KP to the Celts for the #1 with collateral stuff to make weight depending on viewpoint.

Setting aside how badly Ainge would gape Jackson in a real life negotiation, (a) is KP something Celts would desire? (b) if so what would be 'just value' here?
KP for #1 is probably pretty close. I think a gambler says no, but it might be the safer bet.

I do think KP would also be fantastic on Boston, and the fit is definitely better in the short run.

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Boston getting Hayward would be awesome. He's so perfect for them. IT/Bradley/Hayward/Crowder/Horford with Fultz as a super 6th man is dope.
better against GSW, still doesnt help us that much against Lebron. so small.
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:17 PM   #8596
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Think you're underrating how big Hayward is due to WHITENESS. He's 6'8 with solid core strength. For comparison Jae Crowder is 6'6. Obv not saying he'd be a LeBron stopper but it wouldn't be meaningless either. And it would be a huge upgrade in a vacuum. With Stevens coaching they'd be a 60+ win team next year with that roster imo.
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:30 PM   #8597
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crowder has sufficient size to guard lebron. celtics problem is moreso that horford, along w/whoever else is out there as a big, is not a sufficient rim deterrent
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:38 PM   #8598
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Crowder guards Lebron about as well as DeMarre Carroll. Hayward is a much larger upgrade over Crowder than I think is realized. Crowder is a nice player on a phenomenal contract but Hayward is >>>>

I agree with heels that Horford is a bigger issue vs Cleveland tho
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:51 PM   #8599
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oh, i didn't mean to say crowder is better than hayward overall. hayward is certainly >>, just meant as far as matching up w/lebron defensively goes. he is much bigger than hayward, though they are prob similar in terms of explosiveness


edit: i'm also using the term guard loosely. i mean like, matchup and lebron doesn't automatically get to steamroll to the rim. a lot of these wings are just too small
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:51 PM   #8600
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crowder has sufficient size to guard lebron. celtics problem is moreso that horford, along w/whoever else is out there as a big, is not a sufficient rim deterrent
So that's a vote for trading the #1 for KP - who is an elite rim deterrent - then, it seems.

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