drummond for cj mccollum (blazers probably have to throw in like nurk or ed davis)

Also, is Terrence Ross now the best player on Orlando?

If we could get the Blazers first round pick back(throwing in Harris/Morris) and somehow unload Rjax id do it. Not sure if CJ can run the point full time though. Havent watched enough of him to know. Actually if he cant and it costs us some games im completely fine with that as well.

As Givony says in this draft article http://sports.yahoo.com/news/elite-c...ail&soc_trk=ma. I'll plug in Dean since hes a regular here whos highly regarding this draft as well https://deanondraft.com/2017/01/23/h...s-years-draft/.

Were looking at 9-11 elite prospects in this draft. I feel like this is the perfect year to blow it up and go for the rebuild for the pistons or really anybody on the edge with assets. I'm ready for the firesale ship everything out and go for it in a couple years.

I can buy this take when you keep it at calling him a scorer. I don't believe that makes him a good offensive player when you take into account his assist numbers, though, and especially assist quality. And yeah I'd argue that he's not valuable in his current iteration, at all. I know we like to lol at advanced stats in a vacuum, but he's well below average in all of them except PER, where he's been slightly above. I could understand it if we were talking about a first or second year player, but to be well below average in BPM/RPM/WS48 points to a below average overall player imo. And these numbers have not really improved in three years despite some prodigious scoring games. We seem to go through this about three times a year with him, people will declare him awesome and then a few weeks later he sucks, and it usually coincides with how well he's shooting from midrange.

I will say that a lot of this is on Thibs though. Their offense is a complete abortion consisting of Towns or Wiggins going 1on1 with Ricky trying to hide as far as he can while everyone stands around. I would think they could come up with some pretty killer action to at least give Wiggins more shots at the basket, but they rarely do.

Remember when you and others laughed at me for saying they should trade for Otto Porter before the season started? I don't think there is a GM or even Minnesotafan in the world that wouldn't trade for him now. There is something to be said for players who are just smart over guys with amazing physical gifts imo. And I'd still take someone like Harris who despite pedrigree and size deficiencies for his position has actually improved in pretty much everything all 3 years to the point where above average all four categories and at least has a clue on defense.

I guess it's the same old "flawed #1/2 man" vs "very good #3/#4" man argument again. I'm typically the guy who roots for the latter because theoretically you can win a title with him while it's very hard with the former.

So in this example Wiggins scores 22pp36 on 54TS with 2.4ast/2.3tov vs 17pp36 on 58TS for Harris, which is the better scorer? Would a player like the latter score 22 points on a similar TS if they just took more shots? What happens when you add that one assists at a higher rate and turns it over less despite touching the ball nearly half as often?

I honestly don't know the answer to these questions, but I have a real belief that guys who score a ton without assisting aren't nearly as good for the offense as their numbers dictate, and the advanced metrics back that up to a degree.

They have top 10 asset and +- superstar Nurk now :P

Wow I hadn't looked at his numbers, that's pretty crazy. I think Cleveland, should they make it that far, should just try to get into a variance-fest and out GSW the Warriors. They have the shooters to do it, and could maybe cobble together a defensive strategy that forces Dray/Iggy/Liv into all the shots while Lebron does what he can do to limit Durant. If Cleveland can force their lesser offensive players into shooting and scoring, the Cavs could have a fighting chance because their offensive guys are just so good when set up.

dood, your Wiggins take is badly out of date.

Maybe he's turned the corner, but we have this conversation a lot don't we?

Fact, his advanced and per/36 numbers are eerily similar to last year's

Nearly identical across the board except a slightly higher 3PA and %, but still below average in both. What has improved other than minutes played? He's in his 3rd year, and you should see fairly steady improvement in his three years at least to a degree right?

Now compare that to <Gary Harris'. Scoring up, efficiency up, assist rates up, rebounding up, PER/BPM/WS48/RPM all up, 3PA up and % is now in elite territory. Isn't that the mark of someone who should in theory keep getting better vs someone who's numbers have looked nearly the same as last year's with the exception of now leading the league in minutes?

I mean, objectively, what about his game other than his 3 point shot, which is still marginal at best, has improved since last year? And if there are improvements, why haven't they manifested themselves into production numbers?

If you can't trust the numbers, how about a picture? From those at NBA Math who invented the "total points added" sta

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Wiggins is better at absolutely everything, especially defense, handle, and passing. He's developed a really nice feel for making the right play over the last couple of months, something that he used to suck at. Most importantly his Games Dominated/36 is elite, as is his Nuggets Embarrassed Rate.

The Cavs trading for Kyle Korver in the "real" NBA was sort of funny for me in that I made a trade for Kyle Korver in NBA 2K16 last year thinking he was the type of player that would fit perfectly in my Cav's offense. In the game it was Mozgov/Dellavedova for Korver. He really does fit well in Cleveland.

Why has this not manifested itself into anything tangible as far as effectiveness on the court? You say his defense is better, but why is that not showing up in the numbers? His STOCKS rates are down, and his DRPM has gone from 58/63 last year to 80/80 this year.

You say his handle is better, yet he's turning it over the same amount despite getting to the basket less and shooting from further out overall than last year.

I'm trying to be serious here, you can be funny all you want about him owning a team with a combined salary of 19M split between 8 guys tonight, but I'm trying to see what it is that you see. Could it be that there are times you're seeing him look better, but the overall product is worse or the same? I know I do it with my team, which is why I like to look at the numbers to see if it matches my eye test, often it does not.

If knicks offer melo for korver and frye do cavs accept?

loldood, always and forever.

98% of basketball following people would laugh at trading Wiggins for Otto Porter and yet you claim that even MN diehards would. You're detached man, sorry.

Korver 14-17 3s in 2 games vs. Indiana isn't too bad.

Wiggins is ready Demar Derozan but faster, more athletic, better at shooting, and with a better frame for defensive shooting. Obviously not as good at getting to the line but I think the strengths outweigh the weaknesses.

He's 22? For all the hate Demar gets, he's a multiple all star and Wiggins imo may already be better and has a MASSIVE ceiling if learns to play smarter on defence and reads the game a bit better on offence, both of which are expected gradual improvements

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McCollum is paid 19m less than Drummond this year

HF to make salaries match with both team being over the cap

I see more Melo in Wiggins offense game than I do DDR.

What happened to the Bobcats? Almost no injuries and 8 games under .500. With MKG back as well.

Detroit's troubles have been talked about way more but Charlotte is the biggest disappointment in the East at the break.

The Hornets have been playing poor lately, but they've been pretty unlucky in terms of record. They're actually 5th in the East in SRS.

This notion that the Pistons should blow it up is ridiculous. I imagine the same people who say that were, a couple months ago, calling Wiggins a lock bust and calling for the Wizards to blow things up. The Wizards' last few years is a good reminder that progress with young teams is often slow.

Reggie Jackson hasn't been good, but he's also coming off a significant injury. I'd like to see more than 36 games before I just give up on him, unless there's a deal out there that makes sense.

When Reggie did come back and the team struggled, they changed the starting lineup. Then Jon Leuer went down for a while. Then KCP went down for a while. For the first time all year, the Pistons have some real stability in their lineups and rotations. And in the last 15 games they have a +1.7 net rating and are starting to play some solid basketball. Despite all of that, as of today, the Pistons are 2.5 games out of the 6 seed.

That's all I have time for now but I'll expand later. I strongly believe the Pistons should play things out at least for the rest of this season (unless they get some great offer, obviously).

Hornets bad play lately is a result of Zeller being out. Check out his net rating, they've been awful without him this year

Looks like someone has the same over-reliance on eye-testing and scoutsy proclaiming that led to Wiggins' premature coronation in HS/college.

I recommend reading 2 deanondraft articles for this week's homework assignment. And steer clear of Chad Ford.

If the pistons stay as currently constructed they'll be stuck in mediocrity after maxing KCP in the offseason. They have no franchise player. KCP/rjax/Drummond is not going to turn into a top tier nba team. I'm willing to sacrifice a few years of chasing 6-8 seeds to have a chance for a contending basketball team in the future.

Luckily, SVG knows this already. Hes been trying to ship out Rjax for awhile now. Hes currently testing the waters for Drummond. He knows that if he sits idle with this team their going nowhere. The reason these rumors keep popping up with the pistons players is because hes trying to move them.

The problem is the value is so low on are best players we wont get anything decent for them so we will most likely be chasing 6 seeds for the next 3-5 seasons. This is a stacked draft class. Trying to get more picks to land a real franchise player is the correct move.

Also i wouldnt get to excited about the last 15 pistons games. We had lakers twice,76ers,twolves,pelicans. and mavs in those.